DT: Borrowing puts UK at risk of Venezuela-style collapse, BOE official warns

[Fairyland]

I have posted this in the BOE thread but it deserves a separate thread

Telegraph: Bank of England warning over debt: borrowing puts UK at risk of Venezuela-style collapse, official warns

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Britain cannot afford to borrow more without jeopardising the country’s financial stability, a senior Bank of England official has warned.

Richard Sharp said the Government had already borrowed an extra £1 trillion since the 2008 financial crisis.

Borrowing more could put the country at risk of suffering from a collapse similar to that experienced by Venezuela, he suggested. Mr Sharp, a member of the Bank’s Financial Stability Committee, spokejust days after Philip Hammond announced a £25 billion spending spree in the Budget and at a time when the Labour Party is advocating borrowing an extra £250 billion.

 

[Fairyland]

Question: What will they do to reduce borrowing? And, what will happen to the over leveraged? Presumably, this will also impact NHS, welfare and other public services. OTH, is this a preparation for IR hike?

Edited December 1, 2017 by Fairyland

[Bruce Banner]

8 minutes ago, Fairyland said:

Question: What will they do to reduce borrowing? And, what will happen to the over leveraged? Presumably, this will also impact NHS, welfare and other public services. OTH, is this a preparation for IR hike?

They'll probably try (try being the operative word) to do nothing and keep the plates spinning until after Brexit, or the next election. 

[winkie]

To reduce borrowing they will sell off everything they can then privatise it.......nothing will happen to the over leveraged, they will walk away or consolidate.....it is the lenders and other investors that allowed and encouraged them to leaverage up that be hit the hardest.......paying wages with debt can only continue for a short period of time......an economy can't grow on fairy dust.

[zugzwang]

Venezuela has a lovely semi-tropical climate, magnificent mountains, warm sunny beaches, and is home the largest nature reserve in the world. Emulating that is a fine ambition which the Bank of England should be commended for recognising.

[Fairyland]

16 minutes ago, winkie said:

To reduce borrowing they will sell off everything they can then privatise it.......nothing will happen to the over leveraged, they will walk away or consolidate.....it is the lenders and other investors that allowed and encouraged them to leaverage up that be hit the hardest.......paying wages with debt can only continue for a short period of time......an economy can't grow on fairy dust.

Paying debt with wages .... This

There are some lovely 3/4 family houses on the market with London movers price tag. Even if one can afford to buy is it worth competing hard earned money with unearned money? And of course be a debt slave till retirement. I believe many sensible buyers would be thinking on these lines...

Edited December 1, 2017 by Fairyland

[Fairyland]

9 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Venezuela has a lovely semi-tropical climate, magnificent mountains, warm sunny beaches, and is home the largest nature reserve in the world. Emulating that is a fine ambition which the Bank of England should be commended for recognising.

LOL.

 

[winkie]

4 minutes ago, Fairyland said:

Paying debt with wages .... This

There are some lovely 3/4 family houses on the market with London movers price tag. Even if one can afford to buy is it worth competing hard earned money with unearned money? And of course be a debt slave till retirement. I believe many sensible buyers would be thinking on these lines...

......low or no profit, productivity or growth, pick the relevant buzz word/s......wages paid with debt....debt paid with wages........so only ever growing amounts of available, cheap and trusted debt will keep the plates spinning?

[crouch]

35 minutes ago, Fairyland said:

Question: What will they do to reduce borrowing? And, what will happen to the over leveraged? Presumably, this will also impact NHS, welfare and other public services. OTH, is this a preparation for IR hike?

Well, the government still has some sort of austerity policy which appears to make absolutely no difference and we go on with what amounts to a structural deficit.

I think, despite all the rhetoric, that the government have thrown in the towel and the policy is not stealth austerity but Mr Micawber.

Of course it won't work and I would think that the likeliest course is an eventual collapse in the £ which would almost certainly force IR rises and that of course would puncture all the bubbles and send the economy into recession. They cannot reduce rates and any printing will simply compound the difficulties with inflation so they are out.

 

[longgone]

and the point of the last 10 years was ??????

[TheCountOfNowhere]

3 hours ago, Fairyland said:

I have posted this in the BOE thread but it deserves a separate thread

Telegraph: Bank of England warning over debt: borrowing puts UK at risk of Venezuela-style collapse, official warns

 

This fits in perfectly what what I've been saying.

The bankers know they're pushed the debt as much as they can.

They're now in a much better position to weather a storm.

The storm is coming.

The politicians are in for a shock when the bankers force them to accept reality.

The big problem is if the bankers have over egged it and the currency does collapse or a chain of banks go under, followed by civil unredt ( aimed at the bankers ).

The British establishment are masters at survival, I dont think they want to be strung up from lamp posts so will do what's necessary to maintain the status quo.

If that means building a bonfire from BTLers  and BOMANDs 40% deposits then that's what'll happen.

Understanding Human nature is more important than understanding economics

Edited December 1, 2017 by TheCountOfNowhere

[Funn3r]

Not too difficult to govern a nation of renter debt-serfs. If they kick up just yank their chain a bit to remind them who's boss. Not so easy with mortgage-free home-owners with decent pensions. TPTB had to gut the latter and BOMAD was the perfect weapon, then delete all that wealth with a price crash.

[Fairyland]

1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

This fits in perfectly what what I've been saying.

The bankers know they're pushed the debt as much as they can.

They're now in a much better position to weather a storm.

The storm is coming.

The politicians are in for a shock when the bankers force them to accept reality.

The big problem is if the bankers have over egged it and the currency does collapse or a chain of banks go under, followed by civil unredt ( aimed at the bankers ).

The British establishment are masters at survival, I dont think they want to be strung up from lamp posts so will do what's necessary to maintain the status quo.

If that means building a bonfire from BTLers  and BOMANDs 40% deposits then that's what'll happen.

Understanding Human nature is more important than understanding economics

Not sure if any chain is going under yet but our RBS is undergoing a change - RBS to close one in four branches and shed 680 jobs

Seriously though if a Venezuela kind of situation arises how will we survive?

 

Edited December 1, 2017 by Fairyland

[Unexpected]

1 hour ago, Fairyland said:

Not sure if any chain is going under yet but our RBS is undergoing a change - RBS to close one in four branches and shed 680 jobs

Seriously though if a Venezuela kind of situation arises how will we survive?

 

Cannibalism + FOM

[TheCountOfNowhere]

2 hours ago, Fairyland said:

Not sure if any chain is going under yet but our RBS is undergoing a change - RBS to close one in four branches and shed 680 jobs

Seriously though if a Venezuela kind of situation arises how will we survive?

 

Let them eat bricks,

[neon tetra]

6 hours ago, zugzwang said:

Venezuela has a lovely semi-tropical climate, magnificent mountains, warm sunny beaches, and is home the largest nature reserve in the world. Emulating that is a fine ambition which the Bank of England should be commended for recognising.

I love you for this...!

(sorry, bit pissed)

[“Nasty Piece of work”]

3 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

 followed by civil unrest ( aimed at the bankers ).

Unfortunately, Joe Public are too pussy-like for stringing people up (or whatever).  It would focus a few minds that badly need it.

[Dogtanian]

3 minutes ago, Freezer? Best place for it said:

Unfortunately, Joe Public are too pussy-like for stringing people up (or whatever).  It would focus a few minds that badly need it.

Yep, just can't see that kind of action in the UK, at least from the broad swathe of "middle classes".  South America yes, Africa yes.  Damp cold Britain no.  Maybe a bit more global warming would alter things?

[longgone]

7 hours ago, winkie said:

To reduce borrowing they will sell off everything they can then privatise it.......nothing will happen to the over leveraged, they will walk away or consolidate.....it is the lenders and other investors that allowed and encouraged them to leaverage up that be hit the hardest.......paying wages with debt can only continue for a short period of time......an economy can't grow on fairy dust.

as long as a few select people are coining it  that happen to be in charge everything is hunky dory.  

No civil unrest, just a shrug of the shoulders and then a bit more lube applied. 

[TheCountOfNowhere]

1 hour ago, Freezer? Best place for it said:

Unfortunately, Joe Public are too pussy-like for stringing people up (or whatever).  It would focus a few minds that badly need it.

One of the peculiar effects of letting 10 million foreigners into the UK is.....

 

       

[Funn3r]

2 hours ago, neon tetra said:

I love you for this...!

(sorry, bit pissed)

The mods should implement a Like button, I read so much great stuff but seems a bit cluttery to post a "well played" separate comment each time.

[maverick73]

1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

One of the peculiar effects of letting 10 million foreigners into the UK is.....

 

       

What is classed as a foreigner?

[Old Guy]

1 hour ago, Funn3r said:

The mods should implement a Like button, I read so much great stuff but seems a bit cluttery to post a "well played" separate comment each time.

+1

[Guest]

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Borrowing more could put the country at risk of suffering from a collapse similar to that experienced by Venezuela, he suggested. Mr Sharp, a member of the Bank’s Financial Stability Committee, spoke just days after Philip Hammond announced a £25 billion spending spree in the Budget and at a time when the Labour Party is advocating borrowing an extra £250 billion.

The strangest thing about this is that a serving BOE official has publicly stated that the UK economy is on a path towards a Venezuelan class collapse - even an ex, former, BOE official comparing the current path of the UK economy to that of Venezuela would be a departure from past norms, but a current BOE official apparently stating that we appear to be on a path towards a comparable collapse is surely unprecedented? 

[dugsbody]

2 hours ago, maverick73 said:

What is classed as a foreigner?

Barry from Boston, moving to London, stealing my jobs.