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9 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said:

Are you saying we bagged our carrier from the US?

Do you know how to read?

Planes. Loud flying things with wings.  

Boats designed to carry widgets need widgets to carry to.make worthwhile. Unless you are a moron.

 

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Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts.

 

Do we need planes with a pilot anymore?  Aren't drone's the order of the day?

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2 minutes ago, reddog said:

Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts.

 

Do we need planes with a pilot anymore?  Aren't drone's the order of the day?

Now there's an interesting comment.

Right enough there was actually an item on the news last week somewhere about a Robot-pilot being trialled to fly existing planes for military use.

Maybe that's the next step,  plane machine + robot-pilot machine.

Maybe the next step will be just Machine. 

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54 minutes ago, reddog said:

Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts.

 

Do we need planes with a pilot anymore?  Aren't drone's the order of the day?

The Rossi robot.. people are so last century! 

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1 hour ago, reddog said:

Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts.

 

Do we need planes with a pilot anymore?  Aren't drone's the order of the day?

For straightforward get-up fly about and come back, no. For fighter aircraft and complex maneuvers, yes for a good few years yet.

The accident rate of drones is terrible, given the expense of some of them its almost worth putting men back onboard.

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2 hours ago, frederico said:

Made in America mostly and we haven't ordered very many

15% of the design is  UK owned,  so  we get that much of the total production run (over 60 years).  Over 2000 are planned to be built. UK has committed to 48 and  ~ 138 over the next couple of decades.

The Euro-fighter lost the Indian order and there is few other potential customers.

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Replicants are coming...we need more slaves who are devoid of emotion, critical thinking or human interaction...and generally have no soul to question the system...haven't you seen the film!


Although looking around the SW London...I think they are already here :o...programmed by their iphones, with structured routines.

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8 hours ago, Thorn said:

Now there's an interesting comment.

Right enough there was actually an item on the news last week somewhere about a Robot-pilot being trialled to fly existing planes for military use.

Maybe that's the next step,  plane machine + robot-pilot machine.

Maybe the next step will be just Machine. 

Its not whther robots will fly a plane or whatever.

Its becuase missiles are now so fast and so long ranging, large ammounts of defense plant is now too risky too deploy near a a battlefield.

US learned its lessons when a suicide canoist disabled one of its aircraft carriers near Yemen.

Carriers now do not go anywhere near a warzone.. They are used to get closer to a warzone and stay there. MOst will end parked up the in the mid Atlantic.

Ditto for any large boat, tank or whatever.

 

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Autonomous vehicles are definitely the next step, the problem is the traditional defence programs are very long and very expensive. As with most things that involves government, change takes a long time.

Autonomous vehicles are attractive for one thing because of the physical limitations of a human.

Swarms of drones working as one have been tested, combine these with facial or other recognition and you have future warfare.

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They can also endure g forces that would turn a pilot to pâté. In the future, the limits of maneuverability for aircraft will be set by the laws of physics alone.

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I'd imagine some of this is a result of the Typhoon build programmes coming to an end? Surely it was always going to result in excess capability with no orders to fulfill?

It's unfortunate, but as stated above MOD procurement initiatives are generally horrifically executed and require massive manpower just to pull the project along (nowhere near budget or time) I've worked in these aircraft projects before in my past life so have experienced the waste first hand. (Chinook glass cockpit reversion).

I think there is a massive potential for smaller manufacturers to appear and take home a large chunk of the  'established' defence communities pie, more efficient manufacturing is now much more accessible with smaller multi axis CNC/ high end 3d printing and that's before you even look at the advancements which consumer level drone technology has taken on in the last few years, much of this can be integrated into an almost throw-away piece of equipment which will be a fraction of the price of an item supplied by QinetiQ or BAE... if it's only got to last for one job...

 

 

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1 hour ago, PopGun said:

Thing is pilots can't be hacked. Drones in theory can be..

 

I thought they were flown by remote pilots? The control communication link could probably be compromised but I bet there are loads of countermeasures.

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10 hours ago, PopGun said:

Thing is pilots can't be hacked. Drones in theory can be..

I think we just call it something else with pilots, to make us feel better (deceived or tricked or blindsided).

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On 10/10/2017 at 10:15 PM, reddog said:

Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts.

 

Do we need planes with a pilot anymore?  Aren't drone's the order of the day?

Even 10 years ago it was thought that the F-35 was going to be one of the last manned combat aircraft.

Best regards from an Janes defence weekly reader sat on the sofa.

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