TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 http://news.sky.com/story/defence-giant-bae-to-axe-2000-uk-jobs-11074686 Jobs are flying out the window. I take defense at all these job cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDevil Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: http://news.sky.com/story/defence-giant-bae-to-axe-2000-uk-jobs-11074686 Jobs are flying out the window. I take defense at all these job cuts. Don't our new carriers need planes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 45 minutes ago, GreenDevil said: Don't our new carriers need planes? Made in America mostly and we haven't ordered very many Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, frederico said: Made in America mostly and we haven't ordered very many Are you saying we bagged our carrier from the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: Are you saying we bagged our carrier from the US? Do you know how to read? Planes. Loud flying things with wings. Boats designed to carry widgets need widgets to carry to.make worthwhile. Unless you are a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGGY Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Urm I think the count was just making a nice little pun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, FIGGY said: Urm I think the count was just making a nice little pun He's not that smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts. Do we need planes with a pilot anymore? Aren't drone's the order of the day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorn Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, reddog said: Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts. Do we need planes with a pilot anymore? Aren't drone's the order of the day? Now there's an interesting comment. Right enough there was actually an item on the news last week somewhere about a Robot-pilot being trialled to fly existing planes for military use. Maybe that's the next step, plane machine + robot-pilot machine. Maybe the next step will be just Machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca13 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 54 minutes ago, reddog said: Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts. Do we need planes with a pilot anymore? Aren't drone's the order of the day? The Rossi robot.. people are so last century! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, reddog said: Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts. Do we need planes with a pilot anymore? Aren't drone's the order of the day? For straightforward get-up fly about and come back, no. For fighter aircraft and complex maneuvers, yes for a good few years yet. The accident rate of drones is terrible, given the expense of some of them its almost worth putting men back onboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Hun Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, frederico said: Made in America mostly and we haven't ordered very many 15% of the design is UK owned, so we get that much of the total production run (over 60 years). Over 2000 are planned to be built. UK has committed to 48 and ~ 138 over the next couple of decades. The Euro-fighter lost the Indian order and there is few other potential customers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Skepticus Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Replicants are coming...we need more slaves who are devoid of emotion, critical thinking or human interaction...and generally have no soul to question the system...haven't you seen the film! Although looking around the SW London...I think they are already here ...programmed by their iphones, with structured routines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Thorn said: Now there's an interesting comment. Right enough there was actually an item on the news last week somewhere about a Robot-pilot being trialled to fly existing planes for military use. Maybe that's the next step, plane machine + robot-pilot machine. Maybe the next step will be just Machine. Its not whther robots will fly a plane or whatever. Its becuase missiles are now so fast and so long ranging, large ammounts of defense plant is now too risky too deploy near a a battlefield. US learned its lessons when a suicide canoist disabled one of its aircraft carriers near Yemen. Carriers now do not go anywhere near a warzone.. They are used to get closer to a warzone and stay there. MOst will end parked up the in the mid Atlantic. Ditto for any large boat, tank or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederico Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Autonomous vehicles are definitely the next step, the problem is the traditional defence programs are very long and very expensive. As with most things that involves government, change takes a long time. Autonomous vehicles are attractive for one thing because of the physical limitations of a human. Swarms of drones working as one have been tested, combine these with facial or other recognition and you have future warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 They can also endure g forces that would turn a pilot to pâté. In the future, the limits of maneuverability for aircraft will be set by the laws of physics alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernMonkey Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I'd imagine some of this is a result of the Typhoon build programmes coming to an end? Surely it was always going to result in excess capability with no orders to fulfill? It's unfortunate, but as stated above MOD procurement initiatives are generally horrifically executed and require massive manpower just to pull the project along (nowhere near budget or time) I've worked in these aircraft projects before in my past life so have experienced the waste first hand. (Chinook glass cockpit reversion). I think there is a massive potential for smaller manufacturers to appear and take home a large chunk of the 'established' defence communities pie, more efficient manufacturing is now much more accessible with smaller multi axis CNC/ high end 3d printing and that's before you even look at the advancements which consumer level drone technology has taken on in the last few years, much of this can be integrated into an almost throw-away piece of equipment which will be a fraction of the price of an item supplied by QinetiQ or BAE... if it's only got to last for one job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopGun Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Thing is pilots can't be hacked. Drones in theory can be.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 9:34 PM, sPinwheel said: He's not that smart. Did u really not get it? I'll have to dumb it down for this crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hp72 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 They do a lot of stuff - Air, Land, Sea, Cyber. Some really good people work there. http://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/what-we-do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btd1981 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, PopGun said: Thing is pilots can't be hacked. Drones in theory can be.. I thought they were flown by remote pilots? The control communication link could probably be compromised but I bet there are loads of countermeasures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 9 hours ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: Did u really not get it? I'll have to dumb it down for this crowd. Yep, a bit dim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toast Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 10 hours ago, PopGun said: Thing is pilots can't be hacked. Drones in theory can be.. I think we just call it something else with pilots, to make us feel better (deceived or tricked or blindsided). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 2 hours ago, sPinwheel said: Yep, a bit dim. Got to laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roman Roady Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 10:15 PM, reddog said: Serious question to all you arm chair 'Janes defence weekly' analysts. Do we need planes with a pilot anymore? Aren't drone's the order of the day? Even 10 years ago it was thought that the F-35 was going to be one of the last manned combat aircraft. Best regards from an Janes defence weekly reader sat on the sofa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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