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6 minutes ago, The Spaniard said:

Apparently a growing number of people in Bristol are living in parked camper vans and motorhomes.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/scores-people-living-vans-bristol-561989

There's even one advertised on Gumtree for rent!

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/someone-advertising-parked-van-gumtree-577521

 

expect a change in the law soon. can`t be seen to be circumventing the system. ;)

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And the knock on effects of this insane bubble keep on coming.

There's nothing the authorities can/will do about these vans - it's an inconvenient truth about a situation they are best off ignoring. Much like beds in sheds in much of London. You could raid entire streets in Wembley tomorrow and find houses rammed with illegal numbers of people, but how the hell do you re-house them?

Our glorious overlords are scum at best.

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1 hour ago, The Spaniard said:

Apparently a growing number of people in Bristol are living in parked camper vans and motorhomes.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/scores-people-living-vans-bristol-561989

There's even one advertised on Gumtree for rent!

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/someone-advertising-parked-van-gumtree-577521

 

now you've got the old grey matter going, gonna do the sums on a transit van tomorrow, reckon I could chop it up into a two bedder get a low wage 'professional' couple in there, make sure they pay for maintenance tax insurance and the like, bang a couple of clauses in there about upkeep, they can pay for tyres etc and they can valet it when they leave, good enough for the next lot anyway. gonna chuck some numbers together and see if I can't turn a fast buck on some unsuspecting renters with this one

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11 hours ago, Maynardgravy said:

And the knock on effects of this insane bubble keep on coming.

There's nothing the authorities can/will do about these vans - it's an inconvenient truth about a situation they are best off ignoring. Much like beds in sheds in much of London. You could raid entire streets in Wembley tomorrow and find houses rammed with illegal numbers of people, but how the hell do you re-house them?

Our glorious overlords are scum at best.

Yup Gravy - lest we forget about their motivations:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/almost-one-in-five-mps-are-landlords

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BBC4 did a drama recently, entirely in verse, following three men who sleep on the streets of Manchester in their vehicles, having lost all their economic and social power.

Although fictional and in verse it was quite good (for the beeb) and covered some of the issues (but not the price of housing). Still on iPlayer for 3 weeks

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b097bkd1/men-who-sleep-in-cars?

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40 minutes ago, henchard said:

BBC4 did a drama recently, entirely in verse, following three men who sleep on the streets of Manchester in their vehicles, having lost all their economic and social power.

Although fictional and in verse it was quite good (for the beeb) and covered some of the issues (but not the price of housing). Still on iPlayer for 3 weeks

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b097bkd1/men-who-sleep-in-cars?

Did the vehicle dwellers have to pay the BBC licence fee? Normally thats the first thing everyone - no matter how poor - has to pay and enforcement is under criminal sanction

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16 hours ago, thewig said:

now you've got the old grey matter going, gonna do the sums on a transit van tomorrow, reckon I could chop it up into a two bedder get a low wage 'professional' couple in there, make sure they pay for maintenance tax insurance and the like, bang a couple of clauses in there about upkeep, they can pay for tyres etc and they can valet it when they leave, good enough for the next lot anyway. gonna chuck some numbers together and see if I can't turn a fast buck on some unsuspecting renters with this one

Smart move from a savvy professional! (My tip: don't forget to park over a drain, so the a toilet-hole in the van floor is directly over it. ) My problem is, how to raise finance against the rented van to pay for the next one  and build the empire?

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9 minutes ago, dryrot said:

Did the vehicle dwellers have to pay the BBC licence fee? Normally thats the first thing everyone - no matter how poor - has to pay and enforcement is under criminal sanction

Not an issue in the drama.

 

My son had this issue (he doesn't have a TV) A letter withdrawing the implied right of access  sorted the matter. He hasn't had a visit from them since it was sent. A copy is below if anyone needs it


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TV Licensing
Freepost 6689
Bristol
BS1 3YJ

 

 

To Whom it may concern

 

 

I do not require a television licence, as I do not receive or record live television broadcasts or indeed even watch 'catch up TV'. Despite this, I have received approaches from your organization implying that I may be committing an offence.


Your employees and agents acting on your behalf, may not call at my address.
This letter provides you with prior written warning that such a visit will constitute trespass and harassment and that I am withdrawing the implied right of access to my property from your organisation.

 

Neither may you telephone me and you are directed, under the provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998, to remove my telephone number from your records.


Please note that I am under no obligation to provide you with any of my details, including my name, and that since I am the legal occupier of the property I am entitled to withdraw your implied right of access. This fact was confirmed by the BBC in June 2009 in response to FOI request RFI20090807. This response states that "TV Licensing does not legally require the name of an individual to action such a request".

 



Yours sincerely,

 



The Legal Occupier.

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23 hours ago, Maynardgravy said:

And the knock on effects of this insane bubble keep on coming.

There's nothing the authorities can/will do about these vans - it's an inconvenient truth about a situation they are best off ignoring. Much like beds in sheds in much of London. You could raid entire streets in Wembley tomorrow and find houses rammed with illegal numbers of people, but how the hell do you re-house them?

Our glorious overlords are scum at best.

Keetwonen type, stacked  shipping container villages 

http://www.tempohousing.com/projects/

https://www.facebook.com/Tempohousing-179614252076985/

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6 hours ago, henchard said:

Not an issue in the drama.

 

My son had this issue (he doesn't have a TV) A letter withdrawing the implied right of access  sorted the matter. He hasn't had a visit from them since it was sent. A copy is below if anyone needs it


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

TV Licensing
Freepost 6689
Bristol
BS1 3YJ

 

 

To Whom it may concern

 

 

I do not require a television licence, as I do not receive or record live television broadcasts or indeed even watch 'catch up TV'. Despite this, I have received approaches from your organization implying that I may be committing an offence.


Your employees and agents acting on your behalf, may not call at my address.
This letter provides you with prior written warning that such a visit will constitute trespass and harassment and that I am withdrawing the implied right of access to my property from your organisation.

 

Neither may you telephone me and you are directed, under the provisions of the Data Protection Act 1998, to remove my telephone number from your records.


Please note that I am under no obligation to provide you with any of my details, including my name, and that since I am the legal occupier of the property I am entitled to withdraw your implied right of access. This fact was confirmed by the BBC in June 2009 in response to FOI request RFI20090807. This response states that "TV Licensing does not legally require the name of an individual to action such a request".

 



Yours sincerely,

 



The Legal Occupier.

Dear TV licence evader.

You can run, but you can't hide. Your as$ is mine....

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I've been a member of a forum for years which I drop on on periodically that is about alternative / off grid living. Covers everything from communes to living on a boat. Not because I do, but because it interests me.

There seem to be 4 types of people living in vehicles. Firstly there are those who have just sort of ended up there through a lack of earning power, then there are 3 kinds of people who do it by choice - English Gypsies, Irish Travellers, and what used to be termed "New Age Travellers".

The latter have never gone away, they just do it very quietly. When they were more prominent, the state did not like that at all:

"The Battle of the Beanfield" is not really something most people are conscious of today, but it was a very dark day in British history.

Nobody should be under any illusion that if you step outside the conventions of debt slavery too vocally or visibly, then laws will be ignored or changed to persecute you - the criminal justice act is another example of this, and the change to make squatting residential property illegal - which was done I'm sure with the full knowledge that a deliberately engineered housing crisis was on the way.

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"The Battle of the Beanfield" is not really something most people are conscious of today, but it was a very dark day in British history.

I am really pleased you mention this.  I agree that many younger people will not have any knowledge of this part of our recent history.  There is still plenty of evidence of the fear and loathing that the land owning classes had for New Age Travelers.  When you are out in the countryside you will often see large tree trunks dragged into gaps in hedges etc.  These started appearing during the mid 80's to stop the NAT's coming onto their land and many of these obstacles are there today.

Its a bit Orwellian but remember that they don't like it if the Proles are not in debt.

Debt is GOOD; being prudent is BAD.

 

Edited by dougless

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On 09/10/2017 at 10:51 PM, longgone said:

expect a change in the law soon. can`t be seen to be circumventing the system. ;)

Aint that the sad truth. 

Rather than take stock and reflect why it is happening or being done, the automatic response has always been a petty mean minded attititude by TPTB towards anyone who succeeds in lawfully circumventing 'the system', in respect of anything and not just housing. Almost a childish tantrum like hatred of someone being smarter than them and beating them at their own game type of attitude. The first reponse always being "how can we stop this".

And IF they can't easily stop it they'll resort to milking money out of these people - oblivious of or with unfeeling disregard to the bleedin obvious that most (all?) doing this 'living in vans' thing are likely finanicially struggling to make ends meet in the first place. So, in this case, we can expect to see requirement for council purchased parking permits - at special higher rates of course than paid by other local residents for parking their own cars outside their houses.

Edited by anonguest

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There's a huge movement towards #vanlife occuring at the moment. There's various elements to it, from people that have clocked up 1m Instagram subscribers, touring the USA whilst doing yoga poses on top of their van to what you see in Bristol, which is a mixture of genuine homelessness and people that want an alternative lifestyle, but the cost is a large factor in it all I'm sure.

I'm a member on lots of Facebook groups about this and the age groups really do span millenials to oaps. I think for many it starts as a way to save money, lets face it, you can save an absolute fortune. No rent, no council tax, no utility bills, just a bit of petrol money and gas, which isn't expensive and you can convert your internal gas supply to fill up from lpg pumps at petrol stations. But I think people do see that once you get used to a few sacrifices it isn't actually that bad. Modern technology is making it a pretty viable way to live, vans can be insulated just as well as houses, they're a tiny space to heat in comparison. Solar panels can give you enough power to run all your electronics.

The problem in the UK and it's a big one, is the social side to it. These people in Bristol have had vandalism on their vans, and people deliberately disturbing them. Imagine that, being down and out to the point of living in a van and someone slashes your tyres, pretty dispicable behaviour. I was thinking about this the other day and it all ALL reverts back to the value of peoples homes. The attitude is, if I'm working my **** off for decades to be able to live in this area, I'm damn going to make sure no-one else circumvents that process.

I'm currently in my van, sitting in a car park with another 2 vans here. There's a water tap behind me, and two drains, one to dump my toilet and another to dump my grey water tank (shower and sink water). I'm in the centre of town, people are coming and going and no-one is batting an eye at me. Of course, I'm not in the UK, I'm in France. In the UK I'd be hunting around for a water tap, peeing in bushes so not to fill my toilet up as I don't know where I can next empty it and hauling a load of dirty water around until I can drop it somewhere when no-one is looking. Everyone eyeing you with suspicion, thinking your must be up to no good. 2 different worlds. 

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8 hours ago, anonguest said:

Aint that the sad truth. 

Rather than take stock and reflect why it is happening or being done, the automatic response has always been a petty mean minded attititude by TPTB towards anyone who succeeds in lawfully circumventing 'the system', in respect of anything and not just housing. Almost a childish tantrum like hatred of someone being smarter than them and beating them at their own game type of attitude. The first reponse always being "how can we stop this".

And IF they can't easily stop it they'll resort to milking money out of these people - oblivious of or with unfeeling disregard to the bleedin obvious that most (all?) doing this 'living in vans' thing are likely finanicially struggling to make ends meet in the first place. So, in this case, we can expect to see requirement for council purchased parking permits - at special higher rates of course than paid by other local residents for parking their own cars outside their houses.

well ebay and amazon can milk the system why not the plebs.

i often wondered if i bought some cheap green agricultural land and planted some fully grown trees in a square formation i could hang a sling type house from the living foundations. :lol: or a big flucking tree house with a rope ladder. 

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On 09/10/2017 at 10:44 PM, The Spaniard said:

Apparently a growing number of people in Bristol are living in parked camper vans and motorhomes.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/scores-people-living-vans-bristol-561989

There's even one advertised on Gumtree for rent!

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/someone-advertising-parked-van-gumtree-577521

 

Imagine inviting a girl back for a coffee. I suppose you could her drive to Starbucks

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1 minute ago, 999house said:

Imagine inviting a girl back for a coffee. I suppose you could her drive to Starbucks

a thermos will sort that out just not those glass ones that broke and spoiled your minestrone. ;)

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Housing financialisation.

Some might genuinely love campervan living, and others kid themselves that it's overall better than renting.

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Although some people live in a van for the freedom and cost effectiveness, the majority of van dwellers will tell you the lifestyle is not a choice, they simply cannot afford to rent or buy in Bristol in the current climate.

 

Meanwhile year 2001 buyer at £175,000 has had life of HPI, and is upset at prospect of reducing asking price below £800,000 having already lowered it by £50,000.

His Professor defenders get big article in paper about how it's necessary to keep values up, to overturn S24, and keep the stimulus going, for "owners who have high value homes, feel wealth-effect, and spend money in the economy."

And BTL forums, for 10+ years, are full of people buying and selling housing-units, 'providing homes' and talking how wealthy they are.

On 05/03/2016 at 5:20 PM, anonguest said:

..... But then again are we not already 'touched', harmed and hard done by this ongoing financial madness? I would argue we, and our like, have already (unfairly!) suffered. So IF suffering should come to those who genuinely deserve it? GOOD! It cannot come too soon.

Using the fear tactic that you espouse (i.e. you too will get swept up in the flood) doesn't hold sway with me anymore.

What are you? Man or Mouse?

It has been said, in many different ways, in respect of personal liberty and freedom that it isn't 'free' - it has to, from time to time, be paid for in toil and blood. The same such applies to ensuring restoration of financial sanity to the world. IF I have to suffer some (more than already) to ensure a better world for my children and their children than I gladly do so. What are you prepared to do?!

These personal stories of people, in this day and age, having to resort to living in vans utterly disgusts me with the 'system' and TPTB.

Anyone who is not similarly disgusted simply does not grasp the significance.

If it doesn't you then I put it to you that you have started to lose some crucial essence of your decency and humanity.

 

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I thought it worth bumping this thread as the content on this hpc one was bristol centric 

Increase in Arson & Vandalism against Van Dwellers recently ?

 

recent Bristol  van & other posts

Priced out of flats, now moved on in their vans: Bristol’s rent crisis

Hundreds of low-paid workers across Britain are forced to live in vehicles. But they face an uncertain future

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/20/bristol-van-caravan-dwellers-rising-rents-end-of-the-road

Future of housing on offer at Bristol Housing Festival

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/future-housing-offer-bristol-housing-2134127?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

How thousands of garages in Bristol could be transformed into micro homes

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/how-thousands-garages-bristol-could-2132769

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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6 hours ago, Saving For a Space Ship said:

I thought it worth bumping this thread as the content on this hpc one ws bristol centric 

Increase in Arson & Vandalism against Van Dwellers recently ?

 

recent Bristol  van & other posts

Priced out of flats, now moved on in their vans: Bristol’s rent crisis

Hundreds of low-paid workers across Britain are forced to live in vehicles. But they face an uncertain future

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/20/bristol-van-caravan-dwellers-rising-rents-end-of-the-road

Future of housing on offer at Bristol Housing Festival

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/future-housing-offer-bristol-housing-2134127?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

How thousands of garages in Bristol could be transformed into micro homes

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/business/how-thousands-garages-bristol-could-2132769

so even more for the landlords and less for the others. drinks all round as we ban the van livers and charge them to live in our tiny house pods. kaching kaching

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