Big Orange Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 At least two people I knew from my high school years who, on hindsight, may have been sociopaths, both went for flashy, ostentatious weddings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Save me from the madness! Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 13 hours ago, debtlessmanc said: my new wife is wealthy and i would gain if i held out for marital law to be applied at divorce, but then i never would so she has nothing to fear, she made me sign a prenup - i respected that, but she really has nothing to fear. I have fixed feelings on prenups, on one hand I think they are a very common sense thing to consider, and both people are likely to be in a much better frame of mind. Equally, it's pretty hard to plot out different paths and scenarios e.g. If you've not had kids when you marry, regardless of how good you think you are at understanding what the impact is, you can't really understand. A prenup could also suggest a lack of trust, each to there own, I would like much more time spent by the government on the subject of prenups, maybe they hold part of the solution. I also wonder if there is a difference if a male proposes a prenup, or a female? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 How well do prenups hold up anyway, in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John51 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 afaik, they don't count in the UK. Where prenups are valid, a lot of people do them wrong. If the prenup is signed after the wedding date has been set, it can be considered coercion and the prenup is then void. IDS should be calling out women for initiating divorce because that's where the main problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, sPinwheel said: How well do prenups hold up anyway, in the UK. Not very well - but a court can consider them/take them into account. Both sides will have to have had independent legal advice before signing (at the very least). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 According to Coop Legal Services the top 10 reasons for divorce are: Adultery Drifted Apart Money Problems Abuse Addiction Different Parenting Ideas Appearance Unhappiness Cultural Issues Communication Issues Although they don't give what the percentages for each. I did read somewhere online (sorry but I cant link to it) but Drifting apart and Communication Issues are most common. I can understand adultery or abuse as grounds split but communications sounds like "im bored and this isn't as cracked up as I was led to believe, and everyone on facebook is happier than me" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Dan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 If people could have a reasonable level of confidence that a possible settlement would treat both parties fairly with regard to division of assets, ongoing financial support etc. in the event of a divorce, there would be no need for prenups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, Diver Dan said: If people could have a reasonable level of confidence that a possible settlement would treat both parties fairly with regard to division of assets, ongoing financial support etc. in the event of a divorce, there would be no need for prenups. If that's the case. What's the point of getting married? Apart from a few artificial tax breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Dan Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 55 minutes ago, sPinwheel said: If that's the case. What's the point of getting married? Apart from a few artificial tax breaks. That's the essential paradox of marriage. A spouse is supposed to be the one person on the planet that you can trust beyond all others but you might also need them to sign a separate contract because you don't fully trust them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, Diver Dan said: That's the essential paradox of marriage. A spouse is supposed to be the one person on the planet that you can trust beyond all others but you might also need them to sign a separate contract because you don't fully trust them. So true it is paradoxical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 hours ago, sPinwheel said: If that's the case. What's the point of getting married? Apart from a few artificial tax breaks. From a practical point of view, none whatsoever, which is what it should be. Should just be something two people do if they want to for whatever reason matters to them, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightowl Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 4 hours ago, Diver Dan said: If people could have a reasonable level of confidence that a possible settlement would treat both parties fairly with regard to division of assets, ongoing financial support etc. in the event of a divorce, there would be no need for prenups. That's true. I think in practice the main attraction of marriage is the wedding which ultimately is a giant selfie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpeggio Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 As I saw someone else say when comparing marriage "A birth certificate doesn't make the baby more real." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odakyu-sen Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 On 11/30/2017 at 12:14 PM, Arpeggio said: As I saw someone else say when comparing marriage "A birth certificate doesn't make the baby more real." But a birth certificate identifies the parents, which is critical for citizenship and passport applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John51 Posted December 3, 2017 Share Posted December 3, 2017 In Jane Austens day, marriage was often a lousy deal for a woman but her other options could be even worse. Although marriage is now a lousy deal for a man, his other options are actually pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 The marriage rate is gong to explode pretty soon, with the arrival of AI sex-bots with artificial wombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sPinwheel Posted December 6, 2017 Share Posted December 6, 2017 On 05/12/2017 at 2:17 PM, MarkG said: The marriage rate is gong to explode pretty soon, with the arrival of AI sex-bots with artificial wombs. Plummet, surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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