Robert Peston's: Tory Party Conference 2017

[BorrowToLeech]

19 hours ago, Wayward said:

 

there is no shortage of land for housing in the UK.  Housing supply is restricted for political reasons...the human misery unfolding in front of our eyes is entirely by design.

 

There's plenty of empty land. Most of it isn't close to a tube station, or a short drive from work, or next to a good school.  

Valuable locations are always in short supply. 

Planning law makes this worse, but planning law didn't change in 1997.  What changed is the number of land parasites, and the money available to them.

There's a name for the restriction of land supply for political reasons. It's called the land market.

It's the largest state intervention in all of history, it's the state intervention that defines states, it's not a free market, and so it's no surprise that it doesn't behave like a free market. 

Edited October 6, 2017 by DrBuyToLeech

[crashmonitor]

22 hours ago, winkie said:

Sorry do not agree...... strong people are not always good people, nobody can judge a person by the chough or cold they hold.....

Well that speech has been the catalyst for  Grant Shapps to try and raise enough numbers to oust her...he has support from 30 MPs...needs 48.

It looked fairly innocuous in the news summary because it appeared it was a brief breakdown, it wasn't it was a one hour car crash. Watching it live was cringing.

The pound crashing in response to her speech was real.

Edited October 6, 2017 by crashmonitor

[BorrowToLeech]

12 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

Well that speech has been the catalyst for  Grant Shapps to try and raise enough numbers to oust her...he has support from 30 MPs...needs 48.

It looked fairly innocuous in the news summary because it appeared it was a brief breakdown, it wasn't it was a one hour car crash. Watching it live was cringing.

The pound crashing in response to her speech was real.

I'm still not convinced that Theresa May isn't actually another one of Grant Shapps secret identities, in which case this could be some sort of elaborate resignation.

 

[winkie]

18 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

Well that speech has been the catalyst for  Grant Shapps to try and raise enough numbers to oust her...he has support from 30 MPs...needs 48.

It looked fairly innocuous in the news summary because it appeared it was a brief breakdown, it wasn't it was a one hour car crash. Watching it live was cringing.

The pound crashing in response to her speech was real.

Not that little irritant.....the man of many faces and names.....

[sPinwheel]

Grant Shapps would make an excellent PM. With Michael Green as chancellor.

[winkie]

2 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

Grant Shapps would make an excellent PM. With Michael Green as chancellor.

I don't believe what they say about you.

[Simhadri]

Even if May is thrown out, Boris wont have it easy. Hammond, Rudd, JRM, Gove too many wolves. Jezza must be happy as this Tory govt looks worse than John Major govt in mid 90's. Multi-polar with too many leaders giving leadership speeches. They might even call back Camie from retirement or @$$borne from standard. 

There was a Tory who thought out of the box and realized joining Tory party might not guarantee him chance at PM role. So he joined Labour and became PM. Truly outfoxing.

[Si1]

3 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

Grant Shapps would make an excellent PM. With Michael Green as chancellor.

Theresa May has integrity without presentation. Michael Green has presentation without integrity. Quite funny 

[Simhadri]

5 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

Grant Shapps would make an excellent PM. With Michael Green as chancellor.

And Mr Bean as foreign secretary.

[crashmonitor]

2 minutes ago, sPinwheel said:

Grant Shapps would make an excellent PM. With Michael Green as chancellor.

If he succeeds in getting 48 MPs on board I reckon May will resign. The repercussions will be another general election and even the possibility that Brexit fails.

This is chaos theory in action. Comedian hands May P45, in response she gulps water and it goes down the wrong way and she chokes her speech. Then we have global consequences.

[winkie]

In this country of ours surely there must be better people who could run a government well.....like on question time a big consensus was that there is no party with good enough people in them worth voting for, they all seem to be treading water and swimming in opposite directions with no direction, no real policies that would make a difference..... prehaps we are so deeply dug in that only tinkering around the edges is all they are prepared to do or can do......nothing of any substance that would make a difference, can't even agree amoungst themselves.....the lot of them are much of a muchness, too busy trying to please when nobody ends up being pleased at all......will wait and see, all we can do.

Edited October 6, 2017 by winkie

[Si1]

22 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

If he succeeds in getting 48 MPs on board I reckon May will resign. The repercussions will be another general election and even the possibility that Brexit fails.

This is chaos theory in action. Comedian hands May P45, in response she gulps water and it goes down the wrong way and she chokes her speech. Then we have global consequences.

If she stands down they simply have to have another ge. They'll possibly lose a vote of no confidence soon anyway. And following that they won't be fit to lead and the only sensible option will be a Corbyn govt, quite possibly in coalition. The Tories are confused and unstable.

 

Unintended consequences of Cameron cynically bribing the boomers with the wellbeing of their own children to win the 2015 GE. Could be a classic pyrrhic victory.

Edited October 6, 2017 by Si1

[crashmonitor]

1 minute ago, Si1 said:

If she stands down they simply have to have another ge. They'll possibly lose a vote of no confidence soon anyway. And following that they won't be fit to lead and the only sensible option will be a Corbyn govt, quite possibly in coalition.

 

Unintended consequences of Cameron cynically bribing the boomers with the wellbeing of their own children to win the 2015 GE. Could be a classic pyrrhic victory.

A Corbyn government in coalition with the SNP and a second Brexit vote as part of the deal. The Tories might see it as a Get Out of Jail Free Card to avoid the "Nazi punishment beating" we are about to get from the EU.

[crouch]

7 minutes ago, Si1 said:

If she stands down they simply have to have another ge. They'll possibly lose a vote of no confidence soon anyway. And following that they won't be fit to lead and the only sensible option will be a Corbyn govt, quite possibly in coalition. The Tories are confused and unstable.

 

Unintended consequences of Cameron cynically bribing the boomers with the wellbeing of their own children to win the 2015 GE. Could be a classic pyrrhic victory.

Another GE doesn't follow. We now have, supposedly, fixed term parliaments and this position can only be changed by a two thirds majority of the House deciding that we need to call an election; a vote of no confidence; a straight vote on the repeal of the act itself.

The most likely I would have thought is a vote of no confidence but I can't see it. The last thing the Tories will want is a GE because thy would almost certainly lose seats and power so they will pull out all the stops to stay in power and play for time.

Nonetheless I can see any opportunity for  a "whoops" moment at any time which will simply tip the cart over and we will have a Corbyn government, which will have no difficulty if coalition partners are required because the only right wing party apart from the Tories is the DUP.

[crashmonitor]

27 minutes ago, crouch said:

Another GE doesn't follow. We now have, supposedly, fixed term parliaments and this position can only be changed by a two thirds majority of the House deciding that we need to call an election; a vote of no confidence; a straight vote on the repeal of the act itself.

The most likely I would have thought is a vote of no confidence but I can't see it. The last thing the Tories will want is a GE because thy would almost certainly lose seats and power so they will pull out all the stops to stay in power and play for time.

Nonetheless I can see any opportunity for  a "whoops" moment at any time which will simply tip the cart over and we will have a Corbyn government, which will have no difficulty if coalition partners are required because the only right wing party apart from the Tories is the DUP.

Or if you agree with Peter Hitchins there aren't any right wing parties only left wing ones. Just a collection of parties who make  public spending promises above what we earn as a country. Makes sense when 85% of the population receive more in welfare than they pay in tax. Only way to win an election is to spend the grandkids futures because we are worth it.

 

Edited October 6, 2017 by crashmonitor

[Bruce Banner]

23 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

Or if you agree with Peter Hitchins there aren't any right wing parties only left wing ones. Just a collection of parties who make  public spending promises above what we earn as a country. Makes sense when 85% of the population receive more in welfare than they pay in tax. Only way to win an election is to spend the grandkids futures because we are worth it.

 

I do, I've been saying so for ages.

Oust Theresa May?

Oust the bloody lot of them, including the odious Grant Shapps.

[Si1]

1 hour ago, crouch said:

Another GE doesn't follow. We now have, supposedly, fixed term parliaments and this position can only be changed by a two thirds majority of the House deciding that we need to call an election

I think that's pretty easy to obtain tbh. The govt do not even have a majority.

[Freki]

58 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

Or if you agree with Peter Hitchins there aren't any right wing parties only left wing ones. Just a collection of parties who make  public spending promises above what we earn as a country. Makes sense when 85% of the population receive more in welfare than they pay in tax. Only way to win an election is to spend the grandkids futures because we are worth it.

 

Or 85% are not given much opportunity to pay more taxes than they could receive.

[rantnrave]

10 minutes ago, Si1 said:

I think that's pretty easy to obtain tbh. The govt do not even have a majority.

I don't. It would still need a significant number of Tory votes to pass. Why would turkeys vote for Christmas?

Edited October 6, 2017 by rantnrave

[Bruce Banner]

7 minutes ago, Freki said:

Or 85% are not given much opportunity to pay more taxes than they could receive.

In a socialist society, perhaps.

In a capitalist economy, one makes ones own opportunity.

[Si1]

3 minutes ago, rantnrave said:

I don't. It would still need a significant number of Tory votes to pass. Why would turkeys vote for Christmas?

A vote of no confidence would be quite straightforward, depends just how miffed Tories are. To be fair, we're not in a winter of discontent right now.

[Freki]

1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said:

In a socialist society, perhaps.

In a capitalist economy, one makes ones own opportunity.

Ah ahahahahahahahahahah

Nothing else to say, laughable statement, rising inequality is the fault of people's laziness, thank god the only people that were not lazy were in work after WW2 and that was a blip in historic trends.

[Bruce Banner]

7 minutes ago, Freki said:

Ah ahahahahahahahahahah

Nothing else to say, laughable statement, rising inequality is the fault of people's laziness, thank god the only people that were not lazy were in work after WW2 and that was a blip in historic trends.

I won't bother arguing, save to say that my children all have good jobs.

They worked hard to get them, they weren't handed them on a plate.

The only thing they were handed on a plate was a work ethic.

 

[crouch]

19 minutes ago, Si1 said:

A vote of no confidence would be quite straightforward, depends just how miffed Tories are. To be fair, we're not in a winter of discontent right now.

I can't see the Tories taking a risk because they know full well there's a fair chance that they'd lose any subsequent GE. They have the taint of incompetence about them now which wasn't the case a few years ago and would vastly prefer to turn the current situation around. Having said that two or three years of Labour under Corbyn might make the Tories seem like the Saviour of the World in which case it would be back to square one.

[spyguy]

2 hours ago, Simhadri said:

Even if May is thrown out, Boris wont have it easy. Hammond, Rudd, JRM, Gove too many wolves. Jezza must be happy as this Tory govt looks worse than John Major govt in mid 90's. Multi-polar with too many leaders giving leadership speeches. They might even call back Camie from retirement or @$$borne from standard. 

There was a Tory who thought out of the box and realized joining Tory party might not guarantee him chance at PM role. So he joined Labour and became PM. Truly outfoxing.

Any PM - be it Lab or Con - is going to find going forward really difficuly.

Brown's magic economy which saw national debt going to 95% GDP has seen to that.

Basically, the UK cannot afford to borrow much more or have another recession.

Either will see large cuts in public spending.