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2 minutes ago, adarmo said:

Not really. 

Their track record of holding power is the best in the world. 

Underestimate away.

It was the best in the world, and they've got five years, but it's not looking good at this stage. 

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Just now, DrBuyToLeech said:

It was the best in the world, and they've got five years, but it's not looking good at this stage. 

Five years out and it's not looking good? 

Tell me why they should be worried?

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This must be to ensure buyers for the massive housing estates that are in progress all over the place at the moment

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2 minutes ago, adarmo said:

Old people dying?

Don't forget that the young will get older. 

You're not daft. Why are you pretending not to understand the problem this might cause them?

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1 minute ago, Lavalas said:

You're not daft. Why are you pretending not to understand the problem this might cause them?

Just playing devil's advocate. In reality though they'll find something else to exploit. 

One of my favorite ideas is the 'right to buy your landlord's property at a heavy discount'. I would splash out for that party. 

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4 minutes ago, adarmo said:

Not really. 

Their track record of holding power is the best in the world. 

Underestimate away.

Japan's Liberal Democratic party - in power almost continuously since 1955 with 2 short breaks (1993-4 and 2009-12)

Norway had a Labour prime minister almost continuously after 1935, recently this has become more mixed.

similar story with Sweden's Social Democratic party from the early 1930s onwards

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So £10Bn for 130,000 houses comes to roughly £75k/house.

The freezing fees bit is meaningless, at £21k few pay back in full, £25k threshold almost no one will pay back in full. Worth £30/month to most recent graduates, so will pay for their phone contract.

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3 minutes ago, adarmo said:

Just playing devil's advocate. In reality though they'll find something else to exploit. 

One of my favorite ideas is the 'right to buy your landlord's property at a heavy discount'. I would splash out for that party. 

Ok, will probably leave you to it then.

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1 minute ago, adarmo said:

Old people dying?

Don't forget that the young will get older. 

The old vote Tory as they acquire wealth, in particular they become homeowners. 

This isn't happening.

Thatcher knew this, and hence right-to-buy.   So they could turn this around, but it seems at the moment that thet don't even understand the problem.

It's not just housing. People who have pensions are more likely to worry about the stock market, and less likely to vote for socialist policies.   People who have nothing have nothing to lose. 

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41 minutes ago, scb said:

The thing is, most people actually believe this is a good policy and it is helping people buy. So no, they really are pulling the wool over people's eyes.

I agree with you to a certain extent- but a lot of people see the policy for what it is- direct funding for property developers. Surely it's the job of opposition MPs to educate the masses in the shortfalls of Government policy. Surely labour MPs can use facts and figures to show how help to buy has done the opposite of helping?!

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6 minutes ago, adarmo said:

Just playing devil's advocate. In reality though they'll find something else to exploit. 

One of my favorite ideas is the 'right to buy your landlord's property at a heavy discount'. I would splash out for that party. 

So would I, but that wouldn't fit in with Tory doctrine. 

What they should do (as Tories) is:

1. Planning deregulation. A no brainier for free-market fundamentalists.

2. Encourage self-build and small building cos. Entrepreneurialism. 

3. Scrap help to buy, and all other schemes and scams.

4. Ban foreign investors - putting Britain first. 

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I hope this blows up in their face and the sheeple start to see these props for what they are; wasting tax payer money to prop up a failing market. People really will start asking why the hell they need help to buy.

 

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2 minutes ago, UnconventionalWisdom said:

I agree with you to a certain extent- but a lot of people see the policy for what it is- direct funding for property developers. Surely it's the job of opposition MPs to educate the masses in the shortfalls of Government policy. Surely labour MPs can use facts and figures to show how help to buy has done the opposite of helping?!

Doesn't matter what the opposition say. Doesn't matter if Jesus Christ and Mohammed come to earth in a flaming Lamborghini, and pronounce that there is only one law and that law is help to buy. 

More tenants and more landlords means fewer homeowners and fewer Tory votes.

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3 minutes ago, UnconventionalWisdom said:

I agree with you to a certain extent- but a lot of people see the policy for what it is- direct funding for property developers. Surely it's the job of opposition MPs to educate the masses in the shortfalls of Government policy. Surely labour MPs can use facts and figures to show how help to buy has done the opposite of helping?!

You stole the words from my mouth. Looking forward to seeing how the opposition responds to this. Unfortunately the sheeple see it as altruistic and so it is a difficult topic to challenge, however if it is done right, the facts (not something sheeple always care about it has to be said) can be used to turn this against the cons to show how deceptive they are.

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34 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

I hope we end up with Corbyn and Rees-Mogg facing each other across the dispatch box just for the lulz.

Reality trolling anybody daft enough to look reality in the eye in order to see what it has planned. Corbyn vs Rees-Mogg is totally within the bounds of what is possible, and that is striking and novel.

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41456555

Mrs May said: "The idea that once you got a job you'd be able to buy your own home and start a family is no longer a given.

"The only way we'll fix that is building more homes over time. But we are going to do more now to help support those who want to buy but can't quite afford it."

 

There's many things I want to buy but can't afford, where's my help?

Surely this is becoming a blunt useless tool? I wouldn't touch a new build at 50% off.

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May, and the Tory Party are toast.  They might as well fold now, as the Labour Party can take the blame for the forthcoming recession, and cods of Brexit.  The Labour Party can have one go, and Joe will vote those nice new people in once May is forgotten.

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