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Completely off-topic and anecdotally, there's a guy who comes into our bar most nights orders a beer, asks for £50 cash back every time and feeds it into the fruit machines. I feel remorseful handing over the notes (we have a money changer) and can't help but think how that money could be better spent (he's a work shirted family man), first name terms and he works in the hotel industry. Lovely guy seems happy but...

I can't put my self into the mind of someone with a gambling addiction. I naively suggested he try he's luck at investing in stocks and shares then he tells me he doesn't gamble on the stock market :D (but sad at the same time). 

We only see him for the time it takes for him to spend his cash (2-3 pints) I dread to think what other losses are incurred outside this window. 

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I remember when the natonal lottery was first launched. I was only a kid. I assumed it was a one of, but it was televised every week. It seemed so incrediby irresponsible to introduce it for no discernable reason.

I'm in my thirties now and I haven't changed my mind. I think all forms of gambling should be illegal in the UK. I mean like Saudi Arabia illegal. Harsh penalties and long jail sentences for people who break it.

 

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2 minutes ago, Uncle_Kenny said:

I remember when the natonal lottery was first launched. I was only a kid. I assumed it was a one of, but it was televised every week. It seemed so incrediby irresponsible to introduce it for no discernable reason.

I'm in my thirties now and I haven't changed my mind. I think all forms of gambling should be illegal in the UK. I mean like Saudi Arabia illegal. Harsh penalties and long jail sentences for people who break it.

 

You want further eroding of civil liberties? How about prohibition as well? 

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You can make gambling illegal and increase civil liberties at the same time.

I don't think alcohol should be sold in any place other than a licensed pub. Maybe bumping the age up to 21 would be a good policy too.

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18 hours ago, Uncle_Kenny said:

You can make gambling illegal and increase civil liberties at the same time.

I don't think alcohol should be sold in any place other than a licensed pub. Maybe bumping the age up to 21 would be a good policy too.

#if you want illegal gambling and no drinking ti 21 then there are plenty of places you can move to.

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On 8/14/2017 at 9:28 AM, longtomsilverunderwater said:

Completely off-topic and anecdotally, there's a guy who comes into our bar most nights orders a beer, asks for £50 cash back every time and feeds it into the fruit machines. I feel remorseful handing over the notes (we have a money changer) and can't help but think how that money could be better spent (he's a work shirted family man), first name terms and he works in the hotel industry. Lovely guy seems happy but...

I can't put my self into the mind of someone with a gambling addiction. I naively suggested he try he's luck at investing in stocks and shares then he tells me he doesn't gamble on the stock market :D (but sad at the same time). 

We only see him for the time it takes for him to spend his cash (2-3 pints) I dread to think what other losses are incurred outside this window. 

go and sit in any bookies and watch the addicted punters shoveling 20`s into to the FOBT`s they can do £100 every 20 seconds. 

90% of profits for william hill are from 4 machines per branch.  used to be 8 machines allowed now only the 4. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/06/tories-fobt-gambling-labour

 

Hammond knows any benefits paid out will find there way back into the system via these machines. 

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20 hours ago, Uncle_Kenny said:

I remember when the natonal lottery was first launched. I was only a kid. I assumed it was a one of, but it was televised every week. It seemed so incrediby irresponsible to introduce it for no discernable reason.

I'm in my thirties now and I haven't changed my mind. I think all forms of gambling should be illegal in the UK. I mean like Saudi Arabia illegal. Harsh penalties and long jail sentences for people who break it.

 

What do you mean? Think of all the money is brings in for "good causes" that would otherwise have to paid for out of higher taxes.;)

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22 hours ago, Uncle_Kenny said:

I think all forms of gambling should be illegal in the UK.

Not illegal, but I would certainly place a ban on all advertising for gambling (and alcohol). It's fine for people to be free to gamble and drink etc, but it shouldn't be advertised. 

It's absurd at the moment on the Sports TV channels. Every other advert is for online gambling.

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2 minutes ago, Errol said:

Not illegal, but I would certainly place a ban on all advertising for gambling (and alcohol). I

Even if it's only because the adverts are very irritating.

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The fixed odds betting terminals are very important to allow criminals to launder their ill-gotten gains; this is why they haven't been banned. Bit like the money laundering operation that is the London property market, which has been praised and encouraged by government.

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58 minutes ago, Millaise said:

The fixed odds betting terminals are very important to allow criminals to launder their ill-gotten gains; this is why they haven't been banned. Bit like the money laundering operation that is the London property market, which has been praised and encouraged by government.

casino`s have been doing that for 50 years or more 

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On 15/08/2017 at 3:14 PM, Option5 said:

Even if it's only because the adverts are very irritating.

They are irritating, of course, but I was thinking really of the impact they have on dragging many impressionable (often young) people into gambling. It's just not needed. If people want to gamble, they can search on the internet and find it. Advertising to lure people in, nearly always with some form of inducement, should be banned.

But I wouldn't ban it altogether. Just like I wouldn't ban prostitution (if it was properly legal in the UK), or other things. I just wouldn't let them advertise. People who wanted the services would find them easily enough.

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Strangely enough online gambling is the one thing I didn't know a lot about until 3 years ago when I started at my new job. It seemed like everyone I worked with had some form of gambling app installed on their smartphone. It was shocking to see.

Fast forward two years and two of my colleagues are up to their eyes in debt. One of them, a hgv driver, managed to lose over £10,000 between two sets of traffic lights. The other bloke has just lost his house. And his wife. And access to his kids. Life's to short to gamble with.

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I see a similarity to BTL in that gambling just moves money from one person to another. It doesn't actually involve any sort of service or good being provided. It's not like making money by pumping oil out of the ground for example.

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No bans, no reductions in advertising (even though I can't stand the adverts either). Less nanny state all around please. If people are unable to act responsibly that's their problem. Change the idiots to fit the world, not the world to fit the idiots.

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3 hours ago, Riedquat said:

No bans, no reductions in advertising (even though I can't stand the adverts either). Less nanny state all around please. If people are unable to act responsibly that's their problem. Change the idiots to fit the world, not the world to fit the idiots.

just as we have seatbelts in cars instead of spikes in the steering wheel we need protection from something that people with addictive traits can't resist and will destroy their lives with associated impact on society.

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Don't have to make it illegal to gamble, just make it illegal to run a business based on betting, rent shops for the purposes of it etc. Can still make bets between friends, just can't incorporate a company generating cash from other people's non-volitional compulsions.

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On ‎16‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 0:45 PM, pmgdawau said:

just as we have seatbelts in cars instead of spikes in the steering wheel we need protection from something that people with addictive traits can't resist and will destroy their lives with associated impact on society.

Gambling can destroy family and life.

Society has to pick up the pieces. (Yours and my tax pounds)

Think about it.

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On 8/15/2017 at 4:30 PM, longgone said:

casino`s have been doing that for 50 years or more 

These FOBT give you a nice printed receipt that you can show to plod. I've never played in a casino, so I don't know whether the same is true.

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15 hours ago, Millaise said:

These FOBT give you a nice printed receipt that you can show to plod. I've never played in a casino, so I don't know whether the same is true.

the casinos will happily pay you a cheque no need for a receipt :rolleyes: 

had one for 6k before 

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On 19/08/2017 at 1:36 PM, Byron said:

Gambling can destroy family and life.

Society has to pick up the pieces. (Yours and my tax pounds)

Think about it.

I've thought about it and decided that society does not need to nanny everyone and treat everyone like children because some people aren't fit to be out by themselves. There might be some impact on wider society, if so, that's a price worth paying. Especially if you're only talking about a bit of money (such appeals to greed as the end point really fail to work on me). People should be responsible for their own actions and decisions and have to deal with the consequences of them. We need to change the idiots to fit the world, not the world to fit the idiots, and there is far, far too much of the latter around. I'm sick of everyone being treated like children, and the increase in the number of fools with no concept of self-responsibility it's creating as a result.

If you've got measures specifically targetted at those with problems, and will have no impact, aren't even visible to anyone else, then fine. But their problems are not my problems and shouldn't influence what I can or can't do at all.

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On 15/08/2017 at 1:19 PM, longgone said:

go and sit in any bookies and watch the addicted punters shoveling 20`s into to the FOBT`s they can do £100 every 20 seconds. 

90% of profits for william hill are from 4 machines per branch.  used to be 8 machines allowed now only the 4. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/06/tories-fobt-gambling-labour

 

Hammond knows any benefits paid out will find there way back into the system via these machines. 

50% are dealers laundering money.

You can tell as they are less emotionsl about winning or losing.

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On 15/08/2017 at 1:19 PM, longgone said:

 

Hammond knows any benefits paid out will find there way back into the system via these machines. 

Yes, and we only lose 75% along the way. 

The real reason these things are allowed to exist is much more prosaic; lobbying. 

Go and look at an MPs register of interests. By far the most common donors of gifts/hospitality etc are the sports and gambling industry. Been that way for decades. 

Gambling is just seen as harmless fun in the UK and those who get into trouble with it are viewed as hapless Muppets who elicit little sympathy. 

Reality; to use another permitted vice as an allegory, playing poker with friends or at a high class casino is to FOBT what enjoying a glass of eine with dinner is to having to down a bottle of Frosty Jacks every day to feel normal. 

Bleat about the nanny state all you like but who drinks white cider or plays FOBTs for fun? These things only exist to exploit desperate addicts with a monkey on their back. Being opposed to them is the true pro civil liberties stance on my view; empowering people to be free from addiction or exploitation by corporate entities. 

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