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Its like that million pixel advertising campaign on the 00s that worked for 1 person and lots of stupid people tried copying.

Bur has anyone actully sold enough tickets for this as i cant but help think its a way of getting free advertising from the property porn press.

 

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25 minutes ago, Diver Dan said:

I wonder who the April Fool is going to be?

The guy raffling the house when he hands over the £7455 he raised in the failed raffle to the first and second place winners and the last 20% to an estate agents with PTSD charity.

After that he can put his house back on the market for a sensible price with a fresh perspective. 

Edited by Sawitcoming

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4 hours ago, insertcoinstocontinue said:

Surely this is worth a punt at £5??

Not if both the mean and median return are less than £5? Or do you mean you will get £5 worth of entertainment from the transaction?

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4 hours ago, insertcoinstocontinue said:

Surely this is worth a punt at £5??

Its Acklam FFS.

A quick look at the LR shows most are selling for 100k.

And thats 100k too much.

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6 hours ago, insertcoinstocontinue said:

Surely this is worth a punt at £5??

I got the distinct impression that the last one we talked about for half a mansion ended up being rigged. The final ticket draw was rather suspicious.

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14 hours ago, insertcoinstocontinue said:

Surely this is worth a punt at £5??

Don't think so, because of gambling laws. IIRC, one of the last people to do this had to re-do their competition to involve a test of skill, as in the article, but also to allow people to enter with a postal entry - like all the tv competitions, etc. Much cheaper to do a postal entry - the lower cost of the stamp and postcard goes to support the (admittedly privatised) Post Office, better than the property chancer. 

That is assuming that they treat postal entries equally, as they are supposed to. Which may not be a valid assumption...

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Why doesn't he buy all the tickets himself, using a friendly IO loan, then charge the punters £5 a week to 'look' at the ticket each week until the draw?

 

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3 hours ago, msi said:

Why doesn't he buy all the tickets himself, using a friendly IO loan, then charge the punters £5 a week to 'look' at the ticket each week until the draw?

 

:lol:

 

RaffleToLet

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I bet no one has seen this one yet

 

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15547751.Enter_a___5_prize_draw_and_you_could_become_the_proud_homeowner_or_private_landlord_of_a_house_in_this_street/

 

Ticket price is approximately the properties real worth - DurhamBorn could probably argue even that is being generous

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2 hours ago, Houdini said:

I bet no one has seen this one yet

 

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15547751.Enter_a___5_prize_draw_and_you_could_become_the_proud_homeowner_or_private_landlord_of_a_house_in_this_street/

 

Ticket price is approximately the properties real worth - DurhamBorn could probably argue even that is being generous

Yeah. You know it's all over when you see sh1t like that. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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2 hours ago, Houdini said:

I bet no one has seen this one yet

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15547751.Enter_a___5_prize_draw_and_you_could_become_the_proud_homeowner_or_private_landlord_of_a_house_in_this_street/

Ticket price is approximately the properties real worth - DurhamBorn could probably argue even that is being generous

That's a shocker. Their website http://hmvcompetitions.co.uk/xjdjt/ doesn't appear to offer either a skill component, or the ability to send a postal entry. This page suggests that this is required: https://www.out-law.com/page-6780

Out of interest, i've just sent the following email to info@gamblingcommission.gov.uk - will post any response

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Hello,

I had understood that lotteries must involve some kind of skill (i.e. answering a question correctly) and/or enable participants to enter by post?

The following public lottery offers neither: http://hmvcompetitions.co.uk/xjdjt/

I would be grateful if you would explain whether or not these rules apply to this competition.

Thank you,

 

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1 hour ago, highYield said:

That's a shocker. Their website http://hmvcompetitions.co.uk/xjdjt/ doesn't appear to offer either a skill component, or the ability to send a postal entry. This page suggests that this is required: https://www.out-law.com/page-6780

Out of interest, i've just sent the following email to info@gamblingcommission.gov.uk - will post any response

 

I believe draws are managed by the licensing committee of the local council which in this case is Durham County Council or Coventry which is where the owners of the property actually live - yes they went on telly and bought a property for £20k more than its worth. You have to laugh...

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1 hour ago, Houdini said:

I believe draws are managed by the licensing committee of the local council which in this case is Durham County Council or Coventry which is where the owners of the property actually live - yes they went on telly and bought a property for £20k more than its worth. You have to laugh...

OK, thanks for explaining. I've sent the following email to: warwickro@warwickshire.gov.uk - will post any replies here

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Hello,

I am emailing in order to enquire who to contact at Warwickshire CC about licensing public lotteries in your area. I understand that this should be your licensing committee?

I am concerned about the public lottery being held at: http://hmvcompetitions.co.uk/xjdjt/ - I understand that this public lottery is illegal, as it contains neither a skill component, or allows free entries.

I understand that as the domain name in question is registered to a Coventry, Warwickshire address: https://www.nominet.uk/whois/?query=hmvcompetitions.co.uk#whois-results that this public lottery comes under the responsibility of Warwickshire CC.

It is difficult to find who to contact about this from your website, so I would be grateful if you would forward my email to the correct person if the address I have used is incorrect.

Thank you,

 

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I think I would advise that you start with Trading Standards. You can find more information here. http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/businessadvice

Which inspired me to bu66er round for half an hour with no clear result. My reply to Warwickshire CC:

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Hello,

Thank you for your quick reply.

Following your advice, I telephoned 03454 040506, the Citizens Advice Service, and after 10 minutes on hold opened a case with them. I have given them all the details and have been told that the case will be referred to trading standards, but with what they call 'no commitment to reply' - so it’s kind of gone into a black hole on that front - surprisingly, mere consumers aren’t allowed to contact trading standards themselves, and have to do so though a charity, the CAS. Maybe trading standards might do something, maybe apparently illegal public lotteries aren’t their responsibility. Who knows? 

The CAS advisor also gave me the number of Action Fraud, 0300 123 2040, which seemed a bit extreme, as all I’m trying to do is complain about what appears to be an illegal public lottery. Nonetheless, I telephoned them, but gave up after 12 minutes on hold out of boredom.

I then contacted the Gambling Commission, by phoning 0121 230 6666, and my call was answered in under a minute! I gave the person who answered the telephone the web address of what appears to be an illegal public lottery operating in Warwickshire and they told me that it would be forwarded to their investigations department, as the lottery in question appears to have neither a skill component, nor a free entry route - so should apparently have a licence with the Gambling Commission. Like the CAS/Trading standards, the Gambling Commission is not able to give feedback or updates into open cases, so that route of enquiry kind of ends up in a black hole too. But the Gambling Commission route did seem the most hopeful.

I would be grateful if you would forward this email to Warwickshire CC’s licensing department, so it can go into a black hole there too :)

Kind regards,

In conclusion (unless I receive a reply from Warwickshire CC), if anyone sees/cares about and apparently illegal public lotteries in the future, the best route (certainly the easiest & quickest) is to telephone the Gambling Commission, on 0121 230 6666

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Worst one yet?

In among the adverts there is some copy. 

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/i-make-money-leicester-landlord-569488

Main website for the competiton

http://www.winaleicesterhouse.com/

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The entry fee is £5 per ticket and requires you to answer a question about the house. Click here to enter the Competition.

The closing date for entries is 25th January 2018 at 12pm GMT.

60,000 tickets must be sold for the competition to take place, if 60,000 tickets are not sold then the competition is void and only then the prize draw will take place at the value of £300, Terms and Conditions apply. The Promoter has the rights to increase the closing date or amend the Terms and Conditions.

So the guy could sell anything up to 59,999 tickets at £5 (£299,995) and then only pay out £300 to a winner? He isn't shy is he?

#seemslegit

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