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http://stephentall.org/2014/02/19/18-posters-in-which-the-conservatives-promise-to-build-more-houses-the-last-one-appeared-in-1979/

 

I have seen this link to old Tory posters boasting about how much housing they will provide posted on HPC before...but this is relevant here and comes as a shock to many...most people have no idea that the state used to actually care about providing decent housing for the populace...

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20 minutes ago, Wayward said:

http://stephentall.org/2014/02/19/18-posters-in-which-the-conservatives-promise-to-build-more-houses-the-last-one-appeared-in-1979/

I have seen this link to old Tory posters boasting about how much housing they will provide posted on HPC before...but this is relevant here and comes as a shock to many...most people have no idea that the state used to actually care about providing decent housing for the populace...

If something like that offering hope was stuck on bill boards throughout the country at the next election it'd win whichever party went for it many a vote.

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4 hours ago, Habitationi Bulla said:

If something like that offering hope was stuck on bill boards throughout the country at the next election it'd win whichever party went for it many a vote.

Yes but hope to which group?...the current system offers hope of increased wealth to the existing wealthy propertied classes and no hope to the less wealthy landless classes..that system is very well entrenched.

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6 minutes ago, Wayward said:

Yes but hope to which group?...the current system offers hope of increased wealth to the existing wealthy propertied classes and no hope to the less wealthy landless classes..that system is very well entrenched.

But the latter of those groups is growing whilst the other is shrinking.

I never thought in 2003 when i thought this bubble would pop that i'd have to wait 20 years for demographics to sort it out.

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Governments have not built housing to rent or buy for ordinary working families for years.....not their job to do it....big housing developers have no interest in building housing for ordinary working low paid families ....... nothing in it for them they have a business to run and profits to make......nobody is interested in providing housing for people with lower incomes and little or no savings.....that is why thousands have been on council housing lists for years with very little hope or chance of getting anything any time soon.....people with money no matter where it comes from matter more than people with little and little way of making more.;)

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If tories had any sense, they'd hire some subcontractors to build house for sale on surplus government land (e.g. old army/air bases) then sell it to individual buyers, with a covenant that anyone who already owns a house can't buy one, right to buy but cutting out the part where you rent from the council for a while. They need more homeowners (statistically more likely to vote tory) but big housebuilders are holding supply to build margin and seem to have prevented any aldi/ryanair insurgents entering the market by buying all the land.

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3 minutes ago, Tulip_mania said:

If tories had any sense, they'd hire some subcontractors to build house for sale on surplus government land (e.g. old army/air bases) then sell it to individual buyers, with a covenant that anyone who already owns a house can't buy one, right to buy but cutting out the part where you rent from the council for a while. They need more homeowners (statistically more likely to vote tory) but big housebuilders are holding supply to build margin and seem to have prevented any aldi/ryanair insurgents entering the market by buying all the land.

nick the land back then make it unprofitable to hold undeveloped land 

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1 hour ago, Tulip_mania said:

If tories had any sense, they'd hire some subcontractors to build house for sale on surplus government land (e.g. old army/air bases) then sell it to individual buyers, with a covenant that anyone who already owns a house can't buy one, right to buy but cutting out the part where you rent from the council for a while. They need more homeowners (statistically more likely to vote tory) but big housebuilders are holding supply to build margin and seem to have prevented any aldi/ryanair insurgents entering the market by buying all the land.

There has been tv shows on recently where they flog such land to the usual suspects without planning permission at rock bottom price, they get planning make an absolute fortune selling it to the big developers who sit on it waiting for the price to go up to flog onto someone else.

A handful of houses get built n the meantime.

The Tory party lack sense and humanity, hence why they are in the pickle they are in.

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1 minute ago, Habitationi Bulla said:

There has been tv shows on recently where they flog such land to the usual suspects without planning permission at rock bottom price, they get planning make an absolute fortune selling it to the big developers who sit on it waiting for the price to go up to flog onto someone else.

A handful of houses get built n the meantime.

The Tory party lack sense and humanity, hence why they are in the pickle they are in.

A recent Radio 4 show said the Tories are masters of self-reinvention. If so, they eventually could yet become the saviours of the renter- underclass. 

Not so sure myself.

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3 minutes ago, Thorn said:

A recent Radio 4 show said the Tories are masters of self-reinvention. If so, they eventually could yet become the saviours of the renter- underclass. 

Not so sure myself.

No because it would mean people like Hammond coming up with policy to lose half his wealth. This lot aren't Tories or masters of anything theyre just self serving Blairite scum.

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10 minutes ago, Habitationi Bulla said:

No because it would mean people like Hammond coming up with policy to lose half his wealth. This lot aren't Tories or masters of anything theyre just self serving Blairite scum.

I agree. Hammond would be one of those to be sacrificed. 

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18 minutes ago, Thorn said:

A recent Radio 4 show said the Tories are masters of self-reinvention. If so, they eventually could yet become the saviours of the renter- underclass. 

Not so sure myself.

What you really want is all of the main parties chasing the private renter vote, gives them an incentive to actually follow through in government. If only one party is chasing private renters they can water down their promises with the argument "where else are their votes going to go? Even with this weak offer we're still better than the alternative."

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4 minutes ago, Thorn said:

I agree. Hammond would be one of those to be sacrificed. 

He's already had 2 shots at a budget and done nothing for priced out (renting fees aside), in 1 budget he didn't even mention housing which is arguably the biggest issue of our time.

They need to get rid of him if they're to progress, maybe only a T May resignation will see to this.

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Could happen shortly. 

The Radio 4 show was unusually interesting- it described the history of the Tories and said they usually won for a while, then they would lose, only to adopt a sort of Minority Report angle and then come back and win again.

Got the feeling the future was Corbyn... for a while at least. 

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13 minutes ago, Thorn said:

Could happen shortly. 

The Radio 4 show was unusually interesting- it described the history of the Tories and said they usually won for a while, then they would lose, only to adopt a sort of Minority Report angle and then come back and win again.

Got the feeling the future was Corbyn... for a while at least. 

I agree if nothing major changes shortly Corbyn is the future.

We'll see which direction theyre going in the next few months, part of me says they're bright enough to make what are seemingly minor changes such as bringing in S24 early and for all taxpayers which would see them run for the exit all at once.. or get their chums to put an abrupt end to IO BTL mortgages, and curb the 30-35 year mortgages that are creeping in.

But then i think theyll continue with their lets build more houses ****** that will make bugger all difference in the mid term, but it keeps the brainwashed happy.

I would say its interesting times, but its not it just drags on and on its dull as fck times, interesting times are when people are out having fun, not thinking about section 24, and tightening of mortgage lending.

 

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35 minutes ago, Habitationi Bulla said:

He's already had 2 shots at a budget and done nothing for priced out (renting fees aside)

They've delivered nothing in terms of fees for tenants.

Edited by Dorkins

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9 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

They've delivered nothing in terms of fees for tenants.

Its almost a year. It is going through parliament ... any idea how long these things take, ive got to move  soon?
http://www.propertyindustryeye.com/newsflash-lettings-fee-ban-will-let-tenants-recover-unlawful-charges/

Funny how they can slap another years labour on us without debate or it being in their manifesto!

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2 hours ago, Habitationi Bulla said:

Its almost a year. It is going through parliament ... any idea how long these things take, ive got to move  soon?
http://www.propertyindustryeye.com/newsflash-lettings-fee-ban-will-let-tenants-recover-unlawful-charges/

Funny how they can slap another years labour on us without debate or it being in their manifesto!

The higher the priority, the faster a bill can go through Parliament. It's moving slowly by choice. Sad really, it's not as if May has much of a domestic policy agenda to deliver, at least banning letting fees for tenants would be something concrete.

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