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Birth rate 2016

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Surprisingly the UK birth rate went down by 0.2% to 696,271 in 2016. So the big jump in births that was expected because of the changes to CTC (limited to 2 children) didn't materialise in 2016. I wonder what the figures will say for 2017, as the change came in in April of 2017?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/bulletins/birthsummarytablesenglandandwales/2016

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Most people who might be tempted to pump out another one for the cash are generally the sort of people who have no concept of budgets or economics. The Tony Tokens just appear on your card every week and if they don't you go Jobcentre and kick off.

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13 minutes ago, Calcutta said:

Most people who might be tempted to pump out another one for the cash are generally the sort of people who have no concept of budgets or economics.

I don't honestly think there are any such people.  There's lots of evidence of people having a first child in order to "jump the queue" for social housing - which makes lots of financial sense: if you were planning on having children one day anyway why not do it at 18 instead of 28 and get a free flat in the intervening 10 years?

But surely no-one would be seriously tempted to have a third child JUST for the child benefit?  Child benefit wouldn't even cover the costs incurred by having another mouth to feed, much less all of the other parental duties for the next 18+ years...if you're assuming that any such person is trying to be sponger and too lazy to work it makes no sense that they'd want an extra child which is the single biggest source of work and hassle that anyone could lumber themselves with.

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45 minutes ago, Calcutta said:

Most people who might be tempted to pump out another one for the cash are generally the sort of people who have no concept of budgets or economics. The Tony Tokens just appear on your card every week and if they don't you go Jobcentre and kick off.

Blair left office over 10 years ago, time to update those clever political catchphrases. Maybe start calling them Tory Tokens?

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4 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

Blair left office over 10 years ago, time to update those clever political catchphrases. Maybe start calling them Tory Tokens?

They were Brown's Bribes.

Tony does do 'numbers' - other than big ones for speaking BS.

They are actually now (Baroness) Hollis tokens since 2015ish. Gidiot started the long hard slog of unwinding them but was stopped by Hollis and that dmb, jumped up ibDeb civil servanrt secretary now Peer of

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2 hours ago, spyguy said:

Gidiot started the long hard slog of unwinding them

Osborne's plan was dumb, keeping wealthy landowners in the money while telling low income landless people they could starve for all he cared. No wonder he couldn't get it through Parliament, they didn't want Soviet-style bread riots on their hands.

He had 7 years in power to start a more intelligent welfare reform like moving towards a basic income but failed to do so. The intellectual failure to come up with a better alternative is why the Tories are still stuck with Brown's bribes.

Edited by Dorkins

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1 minute ago, Dorkins said:

Osborne's plan was dumb, keeping wealthy landowners in the money while telling low income landless people they could starve for all he cared. No wonder he couldn't get it through Parliament, they didn't want Soviet-style bread riots on their hands.

He had 7 years in power to start a more intelligent welfare reform like moving towards a basic income but failed to do so.

One positive of Brexit is I hope that farmers are going to be thrown under the wheels (as they put it).

Compete in the world on their own, as I put it..

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isn't the key variable now the fact that folks are putting off having kids because they live in cramped and squalid conditions because the UK's policy in respect to housing is to restrict supply and increase demand and to do everything conceivably possible to inflate prices..?

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....the key is to have one or none.....or five or six.;)

 

 

Not all highly intelligent women desire to work full time in the rat race.....some would prefer to give their children their time and knowledge I would have thought.

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