TheCountOfNowhere Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 So if you threaten the Government with a #DayOfRage https://twitter.com/hashtag/DayOfRage?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A877441315293868032 You get a luxury flat, Are the young British people not raging ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janch Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Those who bought at full price are not going to be happy........... The flats have a gym, swimming pool and concierge........bit of a differnce from Grenfell which I read had homeless people in the communal bits............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick73 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: And the British people who are homeless, when do they get their flat ? When they join the queue for housing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient London FTB Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 18 minutes ago, fru-gal said: Wonder if this will set a precedent for every council tenant that has been made homeless through no fault of their own? Haven't seen all the details, but the deal today isn't straying too far from established precedent, which is that councils have a duty to rehouse people in social housing in the local area if possible. The flats that have been acquired were already being built and designated as affordable housing (i.e. shared ownership / subsidised rent). They won't be the £2m ones that are for private sale. Looks like they were acquired by the City of London Corporation and handed over to Kensington & Chelsea council to manage as social housing. From the Guardian: "The most luxurious four-bedroom apartments are currently on sale in the development for £8.5m but the homes being released to Grenfell residents are part of the affordable quota being built and feature a more “straightforward” internal specification, but have the same build quality. The complex includes a 24-hour concierge, swimming pool, sauna and spa and private cinema. It is not yet clear if the Grenfell residents will have access to the facilities, which are normally not included for those in affordable housing." And from the Standard: "A source close to the deal said the City of London Corporation paid around £10 million for the flats thanks to an “extraordinary gesture” of goodwill by St Edward in selling the properties at their cost price." Edited June 21, 2017 by Patient London FTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 The governbankment has had a light bulb moment, there is no council house crisis, there are empty luxury flats out there. Mark... print us another £10bn... and keep it warmed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Will the luxuty residents be enacting their Right To Buy next year The government really havent thought this out. Young british people stuck in their parents houses while immigrants ( and we've all seen them on TV ) get treated like lords. Jeese, i';m out, I am paying for the loonies running this country any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: Yes, but they have a conceirge service....how much ground rent will you and I be paying to keep these people in their flats ? Me, none, as I moved all my assets out of the UK earlier this year! I'd guess that the monthly service charge for the smallest flats will be in the region of 1000GBP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I wonder how careful they're going to be checking whether they give these flats to the people who were actually living in the building vs those whose names were on the flats or owned the leasehold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dropbear Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 The faster we extricate our taxes and ourselves from this hand-out society, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janch Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I predict there will be blood on the streets.....alll those people who have been on council waiting lists for years won't be happy either even if they feel sorry for the Grenfell residents.......... Are the government mad? Silly question really......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 How can this possibly be an efficient use of taxpayer money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, janch said: I predict there will be blood on the streets.....alll those people who have been on council waiting lists for years won't be happy either even if they feel sorry for the Grenfell residents.......... Are the government mad? Silly question really......... This isn't the government though is it? It looks like the City of London Corporation are paying for it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentingForever Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 scene: interior, Daily Mail editorial office. "COMMUNISM!! State seizure of assets. Call in the troops to dislodge this anti-free-market anti-business Maoist collectivist totalitarian red Corbyn government. Oh, hang on, it's the Tories and a Tory council. Well that's ok then." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Patient London FTB said: Haven't seen all the details, but the deal today isn't straying too far from established precedent, which is that councils have a duty to rehouse people in social housing in the local area if possible. The flats that have been acquired were already being built and designated as affordable housing (i.e. shared ownership / subsidised rent). They won't be the £2m ones that are for private sale. Looks like they were acquired by the City of London Corporation and handed over to Kensington & Chelsea council to manage as social housing. From the Guardian: "The most luxurious four-bedroom apartments are currently on sale in the development for £8.5m but the homes being released to Grenfell residents are part of the affordable quota being built and feature a more “straightforward” internal specification, but have the same build quality. The complex includes a 24-hour concierge, swimming pool, sauna and spa and private cinema. It is not yet clear if the Grenfell residents will have access to the facilities, which are normally not included for those in affordable housing." And from the Standard: "A source close to the deal said the City of London Corporation paid around £10 million for the flats thanks to an “extraordinary gesture” of goodwill by St Edward in selling the properties at their cost price." The Standard mentions Kensington Row which is Berkeley Group. https://www.buildington.co.uk/london-w14/warwick-road/kensington-row/id/3866 A bit here about affordable housing from Berkeley in 2016 Quote He also praised Sadiq Khan, the new mayor of London – where Berkley focuses most of its business – for “showing welcome signs of adopting an approach to delivery which is both ambitious and pragmatic”. Mr Pidgley had previously criticised Mr Khan’s plans to lift affordable housebuilding in London to 50% of total delivery. Mr Khan has not set a timescale to deliver this target since being elected. .... On Mr Khan, he added: “His administration has already shown welcome signs of adopting an approach to delivery which is both ambitious and pragmatic. http://www.insidehousing.co.uk//berkeley-group-records-profit-of-4799m/7015630.article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 It's the top news on BBC now. BBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, TheBlueCat said: This isn't the government though is it? It looks like the City of London Corporation are paying for it all. I doubt we will ever know how much it's really cost Quote The Department for Communities and Local Government said extra public money had been found so the flats could be fitted out more quickly, and more builders had been taken on. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40357280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient London FTB Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) My guess at a timeline of what's happened here. PRE-GRENFELL: Berkeley (aka St Edward which is a JV of Berkeley and Prudential) applies for planning permission for luxury flats K&C Council says yes but you must build x% affordable homes as part of this deal Berkeley says ok and applies to the Homes and Communities Agency (part of the government) for a grant to fund the building of the affordable homes Berkeley offers the affordable homes on the open market to housing associations, but hasn't yet had a taker (or the taker is the City of London Corporation which invests in social housing itself anyway) ***GRENFELL FIRE HAPPENS**** K&C Council and central govt look around thinking where can we house these people City of London Corporation wants to help too Berkeley wants to help and demonstrate its social credentials City of London Corporation stumps up the cash to buy the affordable housing from Berkeley, saving K&C Council and the govt money It's better that K&C Council manages the housing so the management is transferred to them, but City of London Corporation retains ownership The Govt makes the announcement because the Homes and Communities Agency is the regulator of social housing providers Also, the govt says it will chip in extra (remember Berkeley has a grant from the HCA to fund the building) to hurry up the building to get the flats ready by end of July That's my take. I admit it is half-informed speculation, hopefully someone better informed can clarify? Edited June 21, 2017 by Patient London FTB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Not entirely without precedent - a 'luxury executive' block of apartments in Belfast at the former Curzon Cinema site was bought out by a local housing association to be used for social housing (after the developer was having trouble shifting them all, hmmmmmm): http://www.kevinwatsongroup.com/portfolio/curzon/ http://www.communityni.org/news/clanmil-housing-rewarded-rics http://www.clanmil.org/curzon.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheBlueCat Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Patient London FTB said: My guess at a timeline of what's happened here. PRE-GRENFELL: Berkeley (aka St Edward which is a JV of Berkeley and Prudential) applies for planning permission for luxury flats K&C Council says yes but you must build x% affordable homes as part of this deal Berkeley says ok and applies to the Homes and Communities Agency (part of the government) for a grant to fund the building of the affordable homes Berkeley offers the affordable homes on the open market to housing associations, but hasn't yet had a taker (or the taker is the City of London Corporation which invests in social housing itself anyway) ***GRENFELL FIRE HAPPENS**** K&C Council and central govt look around thinking where can we house these people City of London Corporation wants to help too Berkeley wants to help and demonstrate its social credentials City of London Corporation stumps up the cash to buy the affordable housing from Berkeley, saving K&C Council and the govt money It's better that K&C Council manages the housing so the management is transferred to them, but City of London Corporation retains ownership The Govt makes the announcement because the Homes and Communities Agency is the regulator of social housing providers Also, the govt says it will chip in extra (remember Berkeley has a grant from the HCA to fund the building) to hurry up the building to get the flats ready by end of July That's my take. I admit it is half-informed speculation, hopefully someone better informed can clarify? Entirely plausible. I bet not a single one will still be social housing in 3.5 years time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: You can see exactly why the trouble is going to come. Can't wait to see the spin the BBC are going to put on it - will they be able to contain their joy? Considering how xenophobic and racist England is supposed to be, isn't it strange that so many immigrants are drawn to London? I imagine this will make it even more popular as the destination of choice, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, TheCountOfNowhere said: Why bother working if you are young. white, British, single, male, you get nothing. It's not about being white or male.British people of all colours/sexes who don't have kids are at the bottom of the housing lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Sancho Panza said: It's not about being white or male.British people of all colours/sexes who don't have kids are at the bottom of the housing lists. Agreed, but if we close the borders and stop all immigration (apart from that which is clearly required - high skill, high net-worth individuals etc etc) the list would be much, much shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, Sour Mash said: Can't wait to see the spin the BBC are going to put on it - will they be able to contain their joy? Considering how xenophobic and racist England is supposed to be, isn't it strange that so many immigrants are drawn to London? I imagine this will make it even more popular as the destination of choice, now. No comments being allowed on the story, which speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCountOfNowhere Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sancho Panza said: It's not about being white or male.British people of all colours/sexes who don't have kids are at the bottom of the housing lists. I agree, but who's right at the bottom ? Edited June 21, 2017 by TheCountOfNowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2buyornot2buy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, Sour Mash said: Not entirely without precedent - a 'luxury executive' block of apartments in Belfast at the former Curzon Cinema site was bought out by a local housing association to be used for social housing (after the developer was having trouble shifting them all, hmmmmmm): http://www.kevinwatsongroup.com/portfolio/curzon/ http://www.communityni.org/news/clanmil-housing-rewarded-rics http://www.clanmil.org/curzon.php Not just the curzon. Victoria Square was also sold to a housing association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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