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16 hours ago, Up the spout said:

So the law isn't being ignored. Politically, deciding to immediately deport illegals from this tragedy wouldn't be exactly a big winner, lol. That would probably turn some of the Daily Mailest of oafs against the gov, and would give plenty of ammo to the Opposition.

Whats the air like on your planet?

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20 hours ago, interestrateripoff said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40520596

Yay our first pass 190 out of 191.

It would have been interesting to know why that one passed the test - was it a different material or maybe a special treatment or different make/supplier etc.  As usual they don't seem to have supplied that information.  Presumably they have advised relevant fire brigades and councils etc.

It might also be useful information for people who have installed such cladding on small buildings, maybe small private buildings, and are seriously concerned about the fire risk and the evident astonishingly rapid spread of fire in relevant cladding.

Edited by billybong

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2 hours ago, ThoughtCriminal said:

Brilliant.

 

Times her by hundreds of thousands and we're getting warm. So to speak.

There's two ways to go through life: angry and a cnt or not angry and not a cnt.

Try the latter. 

Ta

Edited by knock out johnny

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On 06/07/2017 at 4:34 PM, Up the spout said:

So the law isn't being ignored. Politically, deciding to immediately deport illegals from this tragedy wouldn't be exactly a big winner, lol. That would probably turn some of the Daily Mailest of oafs against the gov, and would give plenty of ammo to the Opposition.

They should deport them. Fire or no fire, they are illegal immigrants and should be out. Immigration down to 10s of thousands - no way will they hit that target with these soft policies.

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10 hours ago, knock out johnny said:

There's two ways to go through life: angry and a cnt or not angry and not a cnt.

Try the latter. 

Ta

People like you destroy countries whilst sat in splendid isolation in your white enclaves.

 

The perfect definition of a cnt. 

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On 07/07/2017 at 0:22 PM, billybong said:

It might also be useful information for people who have installed such cladding on small buildings, maybe small private buildings, and are seriously concerned about the fire risk and the evident astonishingly rapid spread of fire in relevant cladding.

It's probably nowhere near as much of a risk on smaller buildings - AFAIK the floor where it started wasn't the one in serious danger, and by the time it did get bad you'd be able to get out (the guy living in the flat that started it all got out easily enough).

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One thing I've not seen mentioned anywhere is the risk of arsonists/terrorists exploiting the flammability of the tower blocks.

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1 hour ago, ThoughtCriminal said:

People like you destroy countries whilst sat in splendid isolation in your white enclaves.

 

The perfect definition of a cnt. 

People like you talk nonsense

I live in London (and I in most definitely do not live in a white enclave)

How is this country being destroyed by people like me?

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2 hours ago, Riedquat said:

It's probably nowhere near as much of a risk on smaller buildings - AFAIK the floor where it started wasn't the one in serious danger, and by the time it did get bad you'd be able to get out (the guy living in the flat that started it all got out easily enough).

I agree that the risk is smaller and likely far smaller but the Dubai fire with similar cladding spread about 18 storeys in not far off 2 minutes - so at that rate even in a small building you would still have to be alert especially on upper levels.  The people at risk seemed to be mainly above the flat that caught fire - with flames always tending to go up unless there's other factors such as extremely high winds or maybe explosions/funnelling etc forcing it more horizontal or in other directions. 

I don't think that the authorities have yet identified why the single sample didn't fail (they might have but I haven't seen anything so far) but it would be in the public interest to reveal the reason and whether it was different in some way to the other 190 samples tested (apart from it passing the test).

Edited by billybong

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Building industry on broken window fallacy 

http://www.ukconstructionweek.com/news/construction-buzz/1750-grenfell-fire-disaster-drives-uk-construction-trade-construction-buzz-133

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..The UK construction trade appears optimistic about its hiring plans, as urgent repairs to social housing following the Grenfell fire disaster enhances demand for building work. 

A survey carried out by US recruitment firm Manpower has found that of more than 2,000 UK employers confidence among public sector firms had improved radically in the last three months.

The survey asked British businesses about how they viewed the jobs market and whether they intended to increase the size of their workforce in the coming year. Those in the UK construction trade reported a net employment outlook of +11% for the final quarter of 2017...

 

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On Thursday, July 13, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Riedquat said:

It's probably nowhere near as much of a risk on smaller buildings - AFAIK the floor where it started wasn't the one in serious danger, and by the time it did get bad you'd be able to get out (the guy living in the flat that started it all got out easily enough).

There was a fire safety expert on the news yesterday that said actually Grenfell is the exception to the rule and because of the contained nature of each flat high rise living has the lowest fatality rate. The highest fire death toll is old people's bungalows apparently, probably due to the type of renter.

He fears we will throw billions at saving a handful of lives when scores could be saved at a lower cost in measures eksewhere. I guess the money could save thousands of lives on public health too for example.

But Grenfell is emotive, billions will be spent and heads will have to roll.

Edited by crashmonitor

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3 minutes ago, copydude said:

So. No one will be found guilty. It was all the fault of how the regulations were written.

Of course!

If it ain't in't book wot tells me wot I can and canny do then it in't me fault.

Responsibility for action is a thing of the past. Especially if it could get someone important in trouble.

Bailouts. It ain't just about banks.

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