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The apartments will have no partition walls, no flooring and wall finishes, only basic plumbing and absolutely no decoration. The only recognisable part of a kitchen will be a sink. The upside of this spartan approach is a price tag of between £150,000 and £340,000, in reach for buyers on average incomes in a city where the average home now costs £580,000.

The no-frills concept is to be be tested with 22 apartments on three sites in Enfield, north London, where the council will allow builders to take over derelict council estate garages and car parks. Khan has awarded a £500,000 grant to what he says will be the largest custom-build development in London. If successful, a further seven sites will be built.

 

One suspects it's more the location than the lack of partitions etc that's helping towards a lower price.  The sort of places that councils typically get rid of for £1 a unit outside of London.

£340,000 is still a massive price to pay for garbage even in London especially if it's spartan garbage and it's quite possible the homes for £150,000 will be as well - and they might not be mentioning stuff like possible shared ownership (I'm not saying it is a shared ownership etc scheme but the full details of a scheme often aren't disclosed and admitted at first).

No doubt the spartan approach will help a bit in terms of price but it's not a new idea.  In the past it's been presented as some people's preference as they want to do their own internals.

Eventually they might as well do away with the inner or outer skin of the cavity walls etc and you can do that youself at your leisure when you and your partner get back from both working to pay the mortgage.  Some would say gutters and drain pipes aren't strictly necessary as well - in fact why not just plonk some garden sheds down.

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Notice the con trick graphics of the "example" of the spartan approach look like an architect designed home with the bare bones approach prominently featured as a design plus - rather than the rough and ready lashed together stuff you would likely get under this latest scheme.

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David Birkbeck, director of Design for Homes, which researches housing design, said: “We have long overvalued architraves, ceiling roses and whether we have real or laminate wood floors. 

Architraves and ceiling roses.  Where's he been - you'll be lucky to get those in most modern flats etc.  Maybe architraves in the living room and a small plastic "rose".  At any rate stick to the real issue - people value partitions, plaster and flooring even more than architraves and ceiling roses.

If he'd said people have long overvalued plaster on walls,  flooring and partitions and other nice stuff in houses people would just be astounded to hear him say it.

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Value that.

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I don't see much problem, less added value from the developer, opportunities to customize the house to your own need, less construction time.

I think it should be more of an option for buyers. Leasehold and location aside, I would strongly consider such an option.

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26 minutes ago, billybong said:

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One suspects it's more the location than the lack of partitions etc that's helping towards a lower price.  The sort of places that councils typically get rid of for £1 a unit outside of London.

£340,000 is still a massive price to pay for garbage even in London especially if it's spartan garbage and it's quite possible the homes for £150,000 will be as well - and they might not be mentioning stuff like possible shared ownership (I'm not saying it is a shared ownership etc scheme but the full details of a scheme often aren't disclosed and admitted at first).

No doubt the spartan approach will help a bit in terms of price but it's not a new idea.  In the past it's been presented as some people's preference as they want to do their own internals.

Eventually they might as well do away with the inner/or outer skin of the cavity walls etc and you can do that youself at your leisure when you and your partner get back from both working to pay the mortgage.  Some would say gutters and drain pipes aren't strictly necessary as well - in fact why not just plonk some garden sheds down.

One pound a unit... is that why our council taxes are so high? Assets given away, to who? I hope there is plenty of accountability about where council assets end up and it's not a friend of friend, or a friend of a business in a wife's name etc.  At 150k to 340k a unit somebody is getting a lot of "help" and it's not necessarily the buyers?

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6 minutes ago, Democorruptcy said:

One pound a unit... is that why our council taxes are so high? Assets given away, to who? I hope there is plenty of accountability about where council assets end up and it's not a friend of friend, or a friend of a business in a wife's name etc.  At 150k to 340k a unit somebody is getting a lot of "help" and it's not necessarily the buyers?

Exactly - it's often just more bunce for builders and property developers etc.

Typically

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/council-sold-houses-1-now-7599263

On this latest scheme it seems that the developers have already told the council what they're going to charge buyers.

 

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I guess they're just being "innovative" again to go along with housing minister Barwell's idea that making the UK's tiny homes even tinier is "innovative".

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2 hours ago, AvoidDebt said:

Latest BS. Along with Barwell's dog kennel homes you can see where this heading. Anything but a HPC. 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/24/mayor-subsidise-naked-homes-london-housing-crisis-sadiq-khan-new-builds

I assume @SadiqKhan @theresa_may @GavinBarwellMP etc will loose tax payer funded 2nd homes and be made live here

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There is a very cheap housing option you can build with a 5 year temp. planning permission on brownfileds sites.

You don't need loads of house builders, architects, Estate Agents, Massive debt. They have built them for thousands of students in Holland, the homeless in Brighton & many others    .

http://www.tempohousing.com/  

Just like there is an open source  Disaster / refugee / low income shelter you can build out of 12 sheets of rigid foam insulation from your local builders merchant .

You don't need consultants, charities, ngo's banks , house builders 

 

http://www.Hexayurt.com

 

Both hardly ever happen because there are no jobs for the boys !

 

 

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1 hour ago, Saving For a Space Ship said:

There is a very cheap housing option you can build with a 5 year temp. planning permission on brownfileds sites.

You don't need loads of house builders, architects, Estate Agents, Massive debt. They have built them for thousands of students in Holland, the homeless in Brighton & many others    .

http://www.tempohousing.com/  

Just like there is an open source  Disaster / refugee / low income shelter you can build out of 12 sheets of rigid foam insulation from your local builders merchant .

You don't need consultants, charities, ngo's banks , house builders 

 

http://www.Hexayurt.com

 

Both hardly ever happen because there are no jobs for the boys !

 

 

 

 

No jobs for the boys and they only cost about 20,000 euros - so there'll be plenty of opposition for those reasons alone.  

It'll be ok for a few spartan style business and retail units and a few of what they'll define as low status temporary and emergency  housing (homeless etc) but although it's perfectly adequate for proper UK homes there'll always be opposition because of the low price and the jobs for the boys issue.

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http://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2006/06/lego-for-big-bo.html

Dutch company Tempohousing sells habitable shipping containers measuring 30 square meters. They cost 20,000€, the price tag of a not so big car.

 

While those in UK government with their kick the can mindset were holding yet more competitions to pretend to try to solve the UK housing problems in Holland they were coming up with actual solutions.

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11 hours ago, billybong said:

 

 

No jobs for the boys and they only cost about 20,000 euros - so there'll be plenty of opposition for those reasons alone.  

It'll be ok for a few spartan style business and retail units and a few of what they'll define as low status temporary and emergency  housing (homeless etc) but although it's perfectly adequate for proper UK homes there'll always be opposition because of the low price and the jobs for the boys issue.

While those in UK government with their kick the can mindset were holding yet more competitions to pretend to try to solve the UK housing problems in Holland they were coming up with actual solutions.

 

It's as if they define shipping container housing "as low status temporary and emergency  housing (homeless etc)" so they can stereotype it and demonise it as such.

This means it is looked down upon as normal housing by renters / potential buyers. 

 

If it's clad with metal skin pir kingspan insulation or wood on the outside, it looks no different to a normal building externally

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