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11 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

So the deeply unpopular Hollande is urging voters to vote for Macron, that didn't work out too well for the far more popular Obama when he tried that in the US election, also when he stuck his trunk into the Brexit referendum in support of the status quo.

All the decomposing French establishment will rally round Macron.

It may help Marine if she attacks him as the flagwaver atop the merdepile. There's so much disillusion with the political classes in France . . .but that extends to Le Pen as well. 

Obama 'sending us all to the back of the queue' . . . that got up everyone's nose. Could well have swung it for Brexit.

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31 minutes ago, Errol said:

It is funny the way Macron is being portrayed as an anti-establishment candidate. He's about as 'establishment' as you can get!

It's not funny at all, the people want change so Macron is being sold as such. 

I'll be in France later this week and am looking forward to finding out what our French friends think about it all.

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1 hour ago, Errol said:

It is funny the way Macron is being portrayed as an anti-establishment candidate. He's about as 'establishment' as you can get!

He's a complete Banker. He will oversee a massive expansion in personal debt and call it a miracle economy.

This debt will be paid back with the destruction of the French way of life.

 

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On 4/25/2017 at 1:01 PM, Errol said:

 

 

About 14.45 minutes in.

It sounds like Macron is a pretend populist and has a manufactured and invented political persona manufactured by the political establishment along with his marketing.

Maybe even more so than Trump seems to be turning out to be.  With even more duplicity.  Of course a lot of people had that opinion of Trump before the US general election but he seems to be proving them right although it is still early in his presidency.

It would not be that much of a surprise if that's the case for both Trump and Macron and maybe some others as well.

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5 hours ago, Pieman Pieface said:

But at least he's not a fascist and a racist.

You are so right!

This year, Brigitte is going to wear a Burkhini in St Tropez while Macron makes Sharia law official and cuts off both Penelope Fillon's hands for being in the taxpayer's till. All French wine will become non-alcoholic by 2020 when France becomes a majority Islamic state.

Allez Allah!

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14 minutes ago, Pieman Pieface said:

Yep, but not a racist which is plus ten points over Le Pen

There were other candidates part from Le Pen

It looks like this Presidential election has been engineered so this empty insincere arrogant globalist tosspot can get the job in the Elysee.

Politicians like him are exactly the reason people end up voting for parties like the FN.

Neither Le Pen or Macron currently have much of in the way of representatives in the French National Assembly so whoever wins may find governing impossible.

My guess is that some sort of Constitutional crisis in the Fifth Republic is on the cards before long.

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17 minutes ago, Maynardgravy said:

Pieface is right. As a banker he will hate all plebs equally, without prejudice. 

That is the globalist bankster way.

Strangely getting economically violated and robbed in a non racist way isn't that different from having it done by a racist

 

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1 hour ago, stormymonday_2011 said:

There were other candidates part from Le Pen

It looks like this Presidential election has been engineered so this empty insincere arrogant globalist tosspot can get the job in the Elysee.

Politicians like him are exactly the reason people end up voting for parties like the FN.

Neither Le Pen or Macron currently have much of in the way of representatives in the French National Assembly so whoever wins may find governing impossible.

My guess is that some sort of Constitutional crisis in the Fifth Republic is on the cards before long.

It's also been engineered by Putin but I guess he didn't win this time

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On 2017-4-26 at 9:29 PM, Pieman Pieface said:

It's also been engineered by Putin but I guess he didn't win this time

Ah yes, of course. Putin apparently controls and 'engineers' basically every electoral result in the entire world. A man of godlike powers, indeed. Doubtless when Theresa May gets has massive majority, Putin will be found to be behind it.

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22 minutes ago, Errol said:

Ah yes, of course. Putin apparently controls and 'engineers' basically every electoral result in the entire world. A man of godlike powers, indeed. Doubtless when Theresa May gets has massive majority, Putin will be found to be behind it.

You deny he's interfered in foreign elections around the world then, especially the French election?

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I'm not saying that Putin is responsible for electoral manipulation - just that now that they claim they've identified it then it's possible to avoid it by banning digital voting and any other potential loopholes that they must have already identified to be able to make the accusation.  

No country can take the risk of an outside agency being able to manipulate electoral results to the outside agency's advantage.

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29 minutes ago, billybong said:

 

I'm not saying that Putin is responsible for electoral manipulation - just that now that they claim they've identified it then it's possible to avoid it by banning digital voting and any other potential loopholes that they must have already identified to be able to make the accusation.  

No country can take the risk of an outside agency being able to manipulate electoral results to the outside agency's advantage.

You don't need to be physically changing votes to be manipulating elections.

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45 minutes ago, Pieman Pieface said:

You don't need to be physically changing votes to be manipulating elections.

For the US elections I understood the specific accusation was that the computers were hacked.  In that case ban digital voting if it's so vulnerable.  

Of course there are other claimed methods which I don't think he's been accused of yet such as illegal funding and candidates etc just telling plain lies etc etc and those sort of problems should have been addressed a long time ago including the issue of manifestos having no legal standing.

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56 minutes ago, billybong said:

For the US elections I understood the specific accusation was that the computers were hacked.  In that case ban digital voting if it's so vulnerable.  

Of course there are other claimed methods which I don't think he's been accused of yet such as illegal funding and candidates etc just telling plain lies etc etc and those sort of problems should have been addressed a long time ago including the issue of manifestos having no legal standing.

Russia might not have directly affected voter numbers ( debatable) but they certainly interfered in the US election in a number of ways. Hacking Clinton for one, as well as its propaganda war against her and support for those who were against her. 

You can see very similar things in the French election. Macron openly criticised Putin and was suddenly caught up in a sex scandal that he attributes to Russian efforts to discredit him. Putin has been funding Le Pen and her like for years as well. 

If you need to know Russias opinion on the election just read Errols post as he is vlads mouthpiece 

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5 hours ago, Pieman Pieface said:

You deny he's interfered in foreign elections around the world then, especially the French election?

Probably less interested than the America intelligence agencies, presumably. Bear in mind that the CIA and other American agencies have a long and proven track record of interfering in the elections and democratic processes of scores of countries in the last 50 years.

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1 hour ago, Pieman Pieface said:

they certainly interfered in the US election in a number of ways. Hacking Clinton for one, as well as its propaganda war against her and support for those who were against her. 

According to who (and please don't link to American or other Ally agency intelligence agency reports)?. There still hasn't been one shred of evidence presented with regard to any of this. Bear in mind the latest Snowden leaks showed that CIA hacking software was designed to deliberately make it look as if the hack comes from any country the user chooses. 

There is more evidence of the US hacking and spying on pretty much everyone on the planet, than there is of Russia doing anything. The Snowden leaks are sufficient to demonstrate what the Americans have been up to.

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