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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12193955/Parents-of-15-year-olds-arrested-for-leaving-them-unattended.html

 

At the moment law on the issue is vague with legislation simply stating that a parent or guardian can be prosecuted if they leave a child unsupervised in a manner like to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health.


*coughs Portugal*
 

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As a ten year old I routinely traveled half way cross the country on my way to & from boarding school. I wasn't the only one.....

No wonder we have a 'generation snowflake' who need to retreat into safe spaces at the drop of a hat.

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The National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) publishes guidance on its website suggesting babies and toddlers should never be left alone and under-16s should not be left alone overnight.

Talk about generation snowflake!  Under 16s ffs.

At 14 me and a mate took it into our heads to do a 200 mile round trip to the Isle of Wight on bikes, taking tents to camp where we could and with very little money.  It took about four days IIRC. It was not regarded as particulalry remarkable or some huge achivement, people did such things for fun. 

Now it turns out I should have been at home and supervised for another two years and if anybody did a similar ride it would probably get in the local paper.

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The law could be considered to be a bit stupid in that there is no formal point where a child becomes capable of looking after themselves -- but the point is that individuals-in-care (or whatever the term is) is poorly defined -- a precocious 10 year old would be fine to be left alone, while a particularly paranoid 14 year old wouldn't be.

But, there is an 'understanding' that the point these days is about 12 -- the 15 year olds was just a case of an officious official (unless they had learning difficulties, say).

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My Mum and Dad were both working and I had a key to go home when I was 10 or 11, perhaps younger, and would cook my own meals. I even used to cook my Dad meals when he got home when my Mum was working the evening shift in hospital.

My parents were extemely loving and hard-working. Today they would be arrested and I put into care.

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It is one of the bizarre things that, as a single and childless man, I experience when I go on dates in that I meet the teenage and 20-something kids of my dates and they are like 6 or 7 year olds. I know a few men who have split from gf's because the gf's had kids who were basically legally adults but still acting like kids.

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1 hour ago, John The Pessimist said:

As a ten year old I routinely traveled half way cross the country on my way to & from boarding school. I wasn't the only one.....

No wonder we have a 'generation snowflake' who need to retreat into safe spaces at the drop of a hat.

My wife used to travel to and from Hong Kong to go to boarding school in the west of England unaccompanied from age 11. Seems amazing now, a school cheerily waving goodbye to an 11 year old girl (with poor English language skills) in rural Somerset expecting them to find their way home to their flat in central Hong Kong.

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It is madness really

https://www.gov.uk/leaving-foster-or-local-authority-care

 

Age What happens
16 You’ll be given a plan to help you make the transition from care to independent life
18 You’re no longer in care when you turn 18 but your council must still provide you with some support, eg a personal adviser or plan
21 You’ll get help and advice from the council until you’re 21 (or longer if you’re still in education or training)

 


So we expect kids bought up in a stable environment to not be on their own until over 16, the age at which we tell kids in care to seriously start looking after themselves.

 

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For the sake of clarity, this law should be linked to the age when an individual can claim benifits. This is rising to 21. So, no person under the age of 21 should be left unsupervised. This is especially important when the young person is socialising.  They must take at least one parent or guardian with them.  

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(A) Does your child know not to play with knives, guns, explosives, anything pointy and sharp etc?
(B) Does your child know what to do if they injure themselves with anything in (A)
(C) Does your child know not to play with matches, gas, BBQs, flamethrowers etc?
(D) Does your child know what to do if they set fire to themselves or the house with anything in (C)?
(E) Can your child prepare a simple meal without killing themself or setting fire to the house?
(F) Does your child know what to do when cooking a meal goes wrong?
(G) Does your child know not to answer the door to strangers (Except maybe the person delivering the pizza they ordered as a result of (E) and (F)?

 

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What arrant nonsense!  At age 10, I was babysitting my three cousins aged 7,6 and 3 months every Friday night.  No-one came to any harm - they're still alive now.  It did leave me with an unusually strong sense of responsibility, though.

 

Edit to say:  Surely this doesn't hold for Scotland,where the ages of criminal responsibility is 8 and majority is 16.

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I think they do Sarah but I need to find a test centre to establish whether they can pass the practical exam.  Are you willing to set one up?  Don't forget to do the risk assessment, in triplicate, if you do. :)

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1 hour ago, Frank Hovis said:

Talk about generation snowflake!  Under 16s ffs.

At 14 me and a mate took it into our heads to do a 200 mile round trip to the Isle of Wight on bikes, taking tents to camp where we could and with very little money.  It took about four days IIRC. It was not regarded as particulalry remarkable or some huge achivement, people did such things for fun. 

Now it turns out I should have been at home and supervised for another two years and if anybody did a similar ride it would probably get in the local paper.

My son used to do the camping thing every weekend from age 12 with a mate -  in all weathers WITHOUT A MOBILE PHONE.

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2 minutes ago, One-percent said:

I think they do Sarah but I need to find a test centre to establish whether they can pass the practical exam.  Are you willing to set one up?  Don't forget to do the risk assessment, in triplicate, if you do. :)

Great idea, 1%.  We could make a fortune...what will we call the company? Snowflake independent?<_<

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Last time my wife left me at home with the kids i set fire to a tea towel on our hob, and gave myself a mild concussion when i knocked my head on a cupboard getting up after picking something up from the floor.

The kids didn't have any issues, and probably would have been better off by themselves :)

 

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2 minutes ago, SpectrumFX said:

Last time my wife left me at home with the kids i set fire to a tea towel on our hob, and gave myself a mild concussion when i knocked my head on a cupboard getting up after picking something up from the floor.

The kids didn't have any issues, and probably would have been better off by themselves :)

 

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1 hour ago, Bossybabe said:

Great idea, 1%.  We could make a fortune...what will we call the company? Snowflake independent?<_<

Up in flames sounds more fun bossy. Or we could combine it somehow 

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2 hours ago, One-percent said:

Up in flames sounds more fun bossy. Or we could combine it somehow 

I know! Flaming Snowflakes. ❄️ ? ❄️ 

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8 hours ago, Hail the Tripod said:

My wife used to travel to and from Hong Kong to go to boarding school in the west of England unaccompanied from age 11. Seems amazing now, a school cheerily waving goodbye to an 11 year old girl (with poor English language skills) in rural Somerset expecting them to find their way home to their flat in central Hong Kong.

I used to do exactly that myself except my destination was West Australia from Hong Kong. Travelled unaccompanied from the age of 12 to the age of 16 and used to silently fume about the large pink 'unaccompanied minor' sticker I'd have to wear. 

Not sure if that would pass muster now.

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8 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Fantastic.  I'll get on with drafting the rick assessment 

Good. I hope you meant the risk assessment- or do we include hayricks?  I'll start doing some publicity material. 

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I used to send my son to my sister's on the mainland from age 10 up. He loved it because the captain often used to LET HIM DRIVE!  

My brother in law used to let him keep his 35 ft motor cruiser on station around the same age, while we were queuing for the diesel berth in the river Medina entrance at Cowes, so us adults could have a boozy lunch in the saloon. 

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2 minutes ago, Bossybabe said:

I used to send my son to my sister's on the mainland from age 10 up. He loved it because the captain often used to LET HIM DRIVE!  

My brother in law used to let him keep his 35 ft motor cruiser on station around the same age, while we were queuing for the diesel berth in the river Medina entrance at Cowes, so us adults could have a boozy lunch in the saloon. 

Inebriated in charge of a ship?Disgraceful! See me on the poop deck Commodore.:o

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