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Julian Assange - Far right hacker?

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/wait-what?utm_term=.ytDNZ1MOGN#.belkYjK96k

Nigel Farage paid a visit to Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy today. Connections like this mean that Assange can't really hide which side he's on any more. What are Julian Assange's motives? Is he a far-right hacker? A crypto-fascist? Aligned with Russian interests? Or is he far-left, prepared to overthrow liberal democracy and what he views as corruption at any cost, including the installation of far-right, nationalist and extreme conservatives to power? What is he?

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19 minutes ago, WageWar said:

Nigel Farage paid a visit to Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy today. Connections like this mean that Assange can't really hide which side he's on any more.

Why does it imply that he's on someone's side? If I stop to talk to someone handing out UKIP leaflets in the street, does that make me far-right? If I then stop to discuss Union powers with a Socialist Worker activist, does that make me far-left?

Surely a man in Assange's situation - trapped in a building for several years - would be currying favour with any politician willing to listen to him?

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4 minutes ago, DeepLurker said:

Why does it imply that he's on someone's side? If I stop to talk to someone handing out UKIP leaflets in the street, does that make me far-right? If I then stop to discuss Union powers with a Socialist Worker activist, does that make me far-left?

Surely a man in Assange's situation - trapped in a building for several years - would be currying favour with any politician willing to listen to him?

He's not just a poor little man trapped in a building though is he. He's a man who regularly releases information such as the CIA treasure trove yesterday which is damaging to the interests of western liberal governments.

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4 minutes ago, Alonso Quijano said:

A Trump envoy? Worse people Assange could meet.

Yep, that is what I thought. Trump offering some kind of deal if Assange can provide dirt on those attacking him?

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38 minutes ago, DeepLurker said:

Surely a man in Assange's situation - trapped in a building for several years - would be currying favour with any politician willing to listen to him?

He's hardly trapped.  He could come out if he was willing to face up to the rape accusation.

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29 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

He's hardly trapped.  He could come out if he was willing to face up to the rape accusation.

Are you joking? A false accusation of rape, fabricated merely to put him in jail and have authorities control his whereabouts on their terms? At least he's doing everything on his own terms right now. 

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1 hour ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Yep, that is what I thought. Trump offering some kind of deal if Assange can provide dirt on those attacking him?

I am liking a lot of what Trump is saying so far, BUT here's why I think that ultimately Trump is a pure-establishment puppet: he's never said anything on the NSA PRISM program - why not? The "Trump team" then attack Wikileaks on the Vault 7 release.  If Trump is anti-establishment, shouldn't he be against the Orwellian methods the CIA are using to supposedly counter terrorism? I mean, come on, how many terrorist attacks have been prevented because the terrorists made the mistake of buying a flat-screen TV and discussing their operations in their living room? This is where Trump's true identity is revealed - he IS an establishment player, a mere puppet with the puppetmasters doing what they have always done.  The spying on the general population will continue, with not a word of dissent from Trump (well, he is a supporter of the Patriot Act).

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5 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

I am liking a lot of what Trump is saying so far, BUT here's why I think that ultimately Trump is a pure-establishment puppet: he's never said anything on the NSA PRISM program - why not? The "Trump team" then attack Wikileaks on the Vault 7 release.  If Trump is anti-establishment, shouldn't he be against the Orwellian methods the CIA are using to supposedly counter terrorism? I mean, come on, how many terrorist attacks have been prevented because the terrorists made the mistake of buying a flat-screen TV and discussing their operations in their living room? This is where Trump's true identity is revealed - he IS an establishment player, a mere puppet with the puppetmasters doing what they have always done.  The spying on the general population will continue, with not a word of dissent from Trump (well, he is a supporter of the Patriot Act).

Presumably why the establishment have been pushing so hard on the idea that Trump is a Russian agent trying to take down the USAs defences. Makes dealing with NSA/CIA overreach very, very difficult.

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Not sure who has the biggest agenda here, the OP or BuzzFeed. Perhaps a better source might be available, not a website famous for top 10 lists of clickbait trash aimed at gullible millennials. 

 

Top 7 Reasons Assange Is A Donkey, You Won't Believe Number 3!

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8 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

Are you joking? A false accusation of rape, fabricated merely to put him in jail and have authorities control his whereabouts on their terms? At least he's doing everything on his own terms right now. 

If the Swedish police and establishment were 10% as keen to prosecute politically embarrassing but actual sexual assaults by 'refugees' as they are to persecute Assange, then Sweden would be 90% safer. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768980/Sweden-cover-up-migrant-rape-violent-crime 

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"far right".  The term is becoming meaningless.  I remember in the 90s / early 00s the "far right" really was something on the distant, remote, rather inscrutable fringe.  Like Britain First is today.  As esoteric as the Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist, just an irrelevance, and definitely 'far', as in totally divorced from the majority of people's concerns and lives.

These days though 'far right' seems to be used to describe a vast swathe of public discourse, practically up to an including views which would be positively centrist not even ten years ago.  Crazy.

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1 hour ago, newbonic said:

If the Swedish police and establishment were 10% as keen to prosecute politically embarrassing but actual sexual assaults by 'refugees' as they are to persecute Assange, then Sweden would be 90% safer. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768980/Sweden-cover-up-migrant-rape-violent-crime 

The wide definition of rape in Sweden is used as a feminist tool to control the local male population and make them afraid of women.  Then you invite hundreds of thousands of horny, young, Muslim males with low IQs* - a cohort that is overtly defended by the Swedish establishment to the point that actual violent crimes by this group are covered up - and you get the socialist hellhole that only a cabinet of hijab-wearing feminists could dream up.

*statistically this is a highly "un-PC" fact, for example the average IQ in Syria is 83, Libya 83, Iraq 87, Afghanistan 84 - in Sweden it is 99.  Full details here > https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country - in fact, most Muslim-dominated countries have low-IQ populations.

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28 minutes ago, EUBanana said:

"far right".  The term is becoming meaningless.  I remember in the 90s / early 00s the "far right" really was something on the distant, remote, rather inscrutable fringe.  Like Britain First is today.  As esoteric as the Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist, just an irrelevance, and definitely 'far', as in totally divorced from the majority of people's concerns and lives.

These days though 'far right' seems to be used to describe a vast swathe of public discourse, practically up to an including views which would be positively centrist not even ten years ago.  Crazy.

"Far"-anything is a pejorative term.  If someone uses the word "far", it simply means they hate the group or individual's views (that they are talking about), because they are describing that group/person pejoratively.   In this case, WageWar hates Farage's views, hence "far right".  I agree that the term is meaningless if used in a true context of what is right and what is left. IMO, Farage is anti-establishment - he's as much anti-Westminster as he is anti-EU.  Also, not wanting uncontrolled, mass immigration is not a far-right thing - it's quite central on the political spectrum.

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11 hours ago, WageWar said:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/marieleconte/wait-what?utm_term=.ytDNZ1MOGN#.belkYjK96k

Nigel Farage paid a visit to Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy today. Connections like this mean that Assange can't really hide which side he's on any more. 

What on earth are you talking about?

So just because you meet with someone you are now automatically viewed as being 'on their side'? Has it really come to this?

This is reaching American anti-Russian levels of absurdity now - where if you so much as talk to a Russia you are deemed to be a Russia agent or working for Putin.

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10 hours ago, WageWar said:

He's a man who regularly releases information such as the CIA treasure trove yesterday which is damaging to the interests of western liberal governments.

But directly serving the best interests of the people governed by those governments. 

Agencies like the CIA have (evidently) become totally out of control. They are a power in themselves and are operating outside the law. Who is controlling them, exactly? Do they have the interests of the people in mind?

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1 hour ago, EUBanana said:

"far right".  The term is becoming meaningless.  I remember in the 90s / early 00s the "far right" really was something on the distant, remote, rather inscrutable fringe.  Like Britain First is today.  As esoteric as the Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist, just an irrelevance, and definitely 'far', as in totally divorced from the majority of people's concerns and lives.

These days though 'far right' seems to be used to describe a vast swathe of public discourse, practically up to an including views which would be positively centrist not even ten years ago.  Crazy.

 

These days, I get the impression that any "anti-EU" view gets you labelled "far right".

And yet, only a decade ago the French Communist Party voted against the EU treaty of 2005. So the French communists, by today's standards, are, erm, far-right.

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4 hours ago, spunko2010 said:

 

Top 7 Reasons Assange Is A Donkey, You Won't Believe Number 3!

 

Is it the secret food for a flat stomach?

 

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On 10/3/2017 at 7:22 AM, spunko2010 said:

Not sure who has the biggest agenda here, the OP or BuzzFeed. Perhaps a better source might be available, not a website famous for top 10 lists of clickbait trash aimed at gullible millennials. 

The reason why I posted the Buzzfeed link is because they broke the original story. It was a Buzzfeed journalist who photographed and questioned Farage and his buddy as they came out of the embassy.

According to the Guardian the tech companies are not all that impressed with Assange's offer to help them. I think Assange shows his technical naivety there. There are also suspicions of Assange's motives.

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Some researchers were skeptical of WikiLeaks’ motives, pointing to apparent ties between the whistleblowing organization and Russia – despite Assange’s denial.

“Everything they have done over the last few months suggests they are operating as a front for a different leaker [Russia],” said Kalember.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/10/wikileaks-julian-assange-silicon-valley-response-cia-russia

 Like the article I think that Assange is an entirely different beast than Edward Snowden. 

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2 hours ago, WageWar said:

According to the Guardian the tech companies are not all that impressed with Assange's offer to help them. I think Assange shows his technical naivety there. There are also suspicions of Assange's motives.

lol. Talk about playing the man not the ball.

The CIA is essentially acting above the law, hacking virtually everything in sight and spying on nearly everybody, and instead of shutting them down (which hopefully Trump will do), people focus on Assange's motives?

Haha. It's insane.

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22 hours ago, Errol said:

lol. Talk about playing the man not the ball.

The CIA is essentially acting above the law, hacking virtually everything in sight and spying on nearly everybody, and instead of shutting them down (which hopefully Trump will do), people focus on Assange's motives?

Haha. It's insane.

I'm focussing on Assange's motives because his meeting with Farage is significant. Assange is a player in all of this. And as battle intensifies he will not be able to stop himself making strategic moves to help one particular side. His contribution is too valuable. Therefore his motives will become clearer and the obfuscation and the veneer of neutrality he has relied on so far begin to disappear and we can see him for what he is.

My own opinion is that he is far-left, an anti-imperialist who wants to overthrow what he sees as the corruption of liberal democracy. But he obviously has no qualms about siding with the far-right, the nationalists and the anti-globalists, the very people the far-left traditionally dislike. He takes along with him his little following of far-left sympathisers like John Pilger and some celebrities who are perhaps equally motivated or naive and blind to the consequences, "red bleeds into black" as Nick Cohen puts it in the Guardian.    

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/11/farage-assange-shameless-illiberal-alliance

But of course many far-left are not on side with him. Militant anti-fascist organisations are reporting unprecedented numbers of recruits including huge numbers of Jewish people in the US.

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Julian is a salesman, and his only product is himself!:o

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