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Should we rejoin European Trade Body?

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This article in Bloomberg today looks interesting as an option for retaining partial trade links to Europe after leaving the EU.  What are the HPC views on this?

Brexit Backers Urge May to Study Rejoining Europe Trade Body
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-07/brexit-backers-urge-may-to-examine-rejoining-european-trade-body

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18 minutes ago, moneyfornothing said:

Hopefully any tariffs or fees will be symmetric ? Or does free trade really mean free trade .. The EU are quite clear that UK will have an inferior trading position to the one it enjoys today..

Tariffs aren't as much as an issue compared to non tariff barriers...

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You guys crack me up!

All the members of EFTA are part of the Single Market ('cept Switzerland which has a kind of single market lite deal - still has to follow the EU rules... https://euobserver.com/justice/136398).

To join the Single Market we would need to allow free movement of people.

N.B. I'm not saying this isn't going to happen - in fact, I think we will end up retaining free movement of EU citizens to/from the UK. In the corridors of power, the leave vote was about retaining complete control of UK law and they couldn't give two hoots about immigration or anything else the UK proles might care about (e.g. housing).

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11 minutes ago, Futuroid said:

You guys crack me up!

All the members of EFTA are part of the Single Market ('cept Switzerland which has a kind of single market lite deal - still has to follow the EU rules... https://euobserver.com/justice/136398).

To join the Single Market we would need to allow free movement of people.

N.B. I'm not saying this isn't going to happen - in fact, I think we will end up retaining free movement of EU citizens to/from the UK. In the corridors of power, the leave vote was about retaining complete control of UK law and they couldn't give two hoots about immigration or anything else the UK proles might care about (e.g. housing).

Do you have to join the EEA if you join EFTA?  There are arguments that you don't have to..  Whether we can have a full FTA with the single market within 2 years (more like 18 months) is a moot point.

Edited by Dave Beans

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56 minutes ago, honkydonkey said:

Makes sense. I don't think anyone has a problem with free trade; It's the political union we're against.

Well, that is what the British public voted for in the first place (The common market) back in the 70s  - until it morphed into one giant carousel of coaches coming from Eastern Europe to Victoria Bus Station.  That ISN'T what the British public voted for.  In fact, they explicitly voted against this in 2016.

Edited by canbuywontbuy

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2 minutes ago, Futuroid said:

You guys crack me up!

All the members of EFTA are part of the Single Market ('cept Switzerland which has a kind of single market lite deal - still has to follow the EU rules... https://euobserver.com/justice/136398).

To join the Single Market we would need to allow free movement of people.

N.B. I'm not saying this isn't going to happen - in fact, I think we will end up retaining free movement of EU citizens to/from the UK. In the corridors of power, the leave vote was about retaining complete control of UK law and they couldn't give two hoots about immigration or anything else the UK proles might care about (e.g. housing).

Agreed. It's ironic that a referendum vote intended to distance the UK from the internationalist, neoliberal designs of the EU is being used to reinforce the internationalist, neoliberal designs of the Tory right. William Hague is even calling for an early general election in today's Telegraph over the (non) substance of Mother Theresa's Brexit stance. Based on the proposed list of occupational exemptions they've drip fed into the media it's already clear that maintaining free movement into the UK from Eastern Europe is an unspoken part of the Tory agenda. Business as usual, not that the crooks will admit it outright.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Futuroid said:

You guys crack me up!

All the members of EFTA are part of the Single Market ('cept Switzerland which has a kind of single market lite deal - still has to follow the EU rules... https://euobserver.com/justice/136398).

To join the Single Market we would need to allow free movement of people.

It sounded too good to be true..  so perhaps you're right.

The way I read the article it sounded like an alternative route to trading with those nations without joining the single market and having to deal with the headaches and bureaucracy of the EU.   

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17 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

Agreed. It's ironic that a referendum vote intended to distance the UK from the internationalist, neoliberal designs of the EU is being used to reinforce the internationalist, neoliberal designs of the Tory right. 

I thought it was to distance ourselves from the bureaucratic, protectionist, overly socialist EU..  or at least it was in my mind.

I guess we all had our own take.

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24 minutes ago, libspero said:

I guess we all had our own take.

Which is exactly why Brexit is such a poisoned chalice.

It will involve compromises, and those compromises will leave around a half to two thirds of the people who voted for it feeling short-changed. Theresa May doesn't have such a swagger these days and William Hague was suggesting calling a general election, the penny has well and truly dropped.

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4 minutes ago, hotairmail said:

May has never had a 'swagger'. Hague is suggesting hitting Labour while they are down and out.

Time for this thread to go to 'Current affairs' probably before it turns into another of 'those'.

Labour isn't going to recover any time soon.

It's more likely Hague wants an election before the reality of Brexit becomes clear and May can be held to account if the outcome doesn't meet the expectations of the leave voters. Oh and before the coming massive squeeze on public spending impacts.    

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26 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

It's more likely Hague wants an election before the reality of Brexit becomes clear and May can be held to account if the outcome doesn't meet the expectations of the leave voters. Oh and before the coming massive squeeze on public spending impacts.    

You've named that tune in one!

38 minutes ago, hotairmail said:

May has never had a 'swagger'. 

Oh yeah? She was "confident" about winning the case in the supreme court. No so confident about that any more. And now the Lords are getting all sovereign on her ass about her Brexit bill.

Makes you wonder about all the other things she was confident about. I'm still waiting for employee reps on company boards... although I'm not holding my breath ;-)

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6 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

Well, that is what the British public voted for in the first place (The common market) back in the 70s  - until it morphed into one giant carousel of coaches coming from Eastern Europe to Victoria Bus Station.  That ISN'T what the British public voted for.  In fact, they explicitly voted against this in 2016.

+1

and they didn't vote for an even more advanced version of rip-off Britain either.

 

Edited by billybong

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