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Been a while since I posted.

I am in the unenviable position in the next few years of probably doing circa 30 to 40K miles per annum ( own car claiming mileage).

 

I am looking at the options of buying a new car and came across a SsangYong Tivoli  . Does any one on here drive ( or will admit to driving) a SsangYong?

The Tivoli comes with 5 years unlimited mileage warranty that covers the engine and drive train for a very low price........... made in India what can possibly go wrong

 

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It doesn't look good initially. I don't drive one, and they are a rare sight on the roads. I can't see a typical HPCer owning one.
 

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Personally wouldn't buy a car built in India, only product I remember, discounting clothes etc from India  (electronics) made Chinese products look quality. Your're asking it to do potentially 200K, unless the dealership is on the doorstep and honours giving you a replacement car for every issue I think it would be stretching it a bit. 

 

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8 minutes ago, 200p said:

Go with what the Taxi drivers use, they already have millions of miles of experience - Skodas or Fords.

Yep, lemons very bad for business.

Or low miles japanese (honda,toyota) fsh, say 2 year old if looking for a smaller car.

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Mazda 6 ?

Im currently sizing one of them up as my next chariot.

In estate form with Bose audio looks decent value.

Esp used.

India are good at making good quality, well priced, cricket bats. From English willow.

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49 minutes ago, 200p said:

Go with what the Taxi drivers use, they already have millions of miles of experience - Skodas or Fords.

Round here its more Skodas (Octavia) & Toyota's (Prius or Avensis).

The weird City ones that are allowed to use the waiting points in town are Pug van derived things... not sure I'd want to do a lot of miles in one of them though.

Toyota do some pretty good warranties now to stave off Hyundai/Kia's encroachment on their patch.

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If I was going to be spending that much time in a car I'd buy first on comfort, then on mpg.  I suppose if it was all short journeys multiple times a day (ie, local, but always travelling to the next 15 minute appointment) then it might be sensible to go for a small runabout.

I'd also have a massive spreadsheet with total-cost-of-ownership calculations for all the different options.  For example, you might be best off getting dealer miles specials and changing cars every two years (well, assuming you'll be in the newish car arena, which, for those miles, you might well need to be).

I'd also look into things like buying a car for two years, then getting a Tesla 3 when they eventually turn up -- that'll give serious savings on fuel costs.

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14 minutes ago, council dweller said:

`Assembled in India using Japanese parts` are the words to look out for.

Otherwise not.

The Ssangyong UglymofoSUV thingy was a Merc ML underneath. Probably use what ever they can get their mitts on.

So much borrowing of power plants etc across the manufacturers it can mean that the same car with one engine has a high chance of being a lemon while with another engine its a peach.

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Just now, 200p said:

Go with what the Taxi drivers use, they already have millions of miles of experience - Skodas or Fords.

They also use E class Mercedes. We've got one  (from new) expecting to do high mileage. Get a used example for Skoda/Ford money. You're going to be spending a lot of time at the wheel so best make the experience as rewarding as possible. They make long journeys a breeze.

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Not worth risking it if you need reliability. Could be a complete false economy very easily.

I'd personally go for a Japanese car if it were me. Find VAG cars to be overrated for the money.

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17 minutes ago, spunko2010 said:

Not worth risking it if you need reliability. Could be a complete false economy very easily.

I'd personally go for a Japanese car if it were me. Find VAG cars to be overrated for the money.

VAG can be expensive trouble, saying that even though having one. Can't kill a high miler toyota, very well put together with exceptional diesel engine. Rate Mazda's too though not driven one enough to truly compare. 

As above comments earlier, if spending 40K mile hours in a car it will want to be somewhere comfortable and pleasureable.

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1 hour ago, shindigger said:

Mazda 6 ?

Im currently sizing one of them up as my next chariot.

In estate form with Bose audio looks decent value.

Esp used.

India are good at making good quality, well priced, cricket bats. From English willow.

Not sure what age you're going for, but do you research on rust first.

Pre 2009 are susceptible.  

I do like the look of the new ones though.

 

 

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I had half a dozen Mazda 6's, not current shape admittedly, and they were all using a lot of oil before they hit the 100k mark. Also didn't investigate at all mechanically but my suspicion was they needed an engine rebuild.

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You can't go wrong with a Kia or a Hyundai these days, they come with long warranties, are well built and most of their popular models are built in Europe.

 

BTW, here in Germany a lot of Taxi drivers switched from Mercedes to the Toyota Prius due to reliability concerns with modern Mercedes cars and the extremely good reliability and low running costs of the Prius.

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If you want newish car cheap then this site is good, ex rentals and leases:

https://www.motorpoint.co.uk/

If you are desperate to go new then maybe a diesel Dacia,though pay the extra and have a radio, or soemthing with a huge warranty, IIRC Kias have 7 year and Vauxhalls 10 yr / 100k miles.

I start from the position that most mass market cars these days are extremely well built and people saying "don't buy a <insert brand name here>" are basing it upon a rusty banger their mate had twenty years ago rather than the last ten years.

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Honest John seems to like it, particularly the comfort aspect, and with a 5 year, limitless mileage warranty it could turn out to be a smart pick.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/ssangyong/tivoli-2015/?section=data

Hyundai and Kia are now pretty respected brands. I'd say, if anything they are now poor value compared to Ford as a result of the eye-catching warranty, but there was a time when they were fairly poorly viewed but the cars performed well, rust aside- say in the noughties. Ssangyong might just be at this point. If the thing is galvanised, I wouldn't discount it. Expect residuals to be poor, if the brand reputation builds in the meantime you might get a pleasant surprise but anything with 160-200k miles on it will not command much.

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33 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

I start from the position that most mass market cars these days are extremely well built and people saying "don't buy a <insert brand name here>" are basing it upon a rusty banger their mate had twenty years ago rather than the last ten years.

Late nineties and early noughties was a golden era for well built cars that lasted across some brands but things have gone backwards now. I still wouldn't touch anything Renault, Fiat's still highly questionable and neither Mercedes or BMW have built a decent car, between them, that's lasted in the last quarter of a century.

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38 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

If you want newish car cheap then this site is good, ex rentals and leases:

https://www.motorpoint.co.uk/

If you are desperate to go new then maybe a diesel Dacia,though pay the extra and have a radio, or soemthing with a huge warranty, IIRC Kias have 7 year and Vauxhalls 10 yr / 100k miles.

I start from the position that most mass market cars these days are extremely well built and people saying "don't buy a <insert brand name here>" are basing it upon a rusty banger their mate had twenty years ago rather than the last ten years.

Another vote for motor point, we got out delivery mileage Focus for £11.5k approx. Dealers could not get close.

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1 minute ago, SNACR said:

Late nineties and early noughties was a golden era for well built cars that lasted across some brands but things have gone backwards now. I still wouldn't touch anything Renault, Fiat's still highly questionable and neither Mercedes or BMW have built a decent car, between them, that's lasted in the last quarter of a century.

You know your cars better than I do SNACR but I think that backs my point to some extent as there are a lot of car makes that you haven't named as being poor and the default position theses days is a decent well built car.

I was confidently told by a workmate that my 2 litre VWAG diesel engine would blow up at 60k miles; now more than double and running like it's new.

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Just now, Frank Hovis said:

And just to show that whilst there are many things to admire about Russia; car building isn't one of them.

I give you, and I'm sorry about this, the AvtoVAZ Lada 4x4 SUV.  Stop laughing you at the back.

 

5891ae51c46188d8568b458d.jpg

 

https://www.rt.com/business/375887-lada-atovaz-china-uae-exports/

Bet you that would shame many other 4x4s in err, off-road stuff. Pretty irrelevant to many owners I guess.

 

Looks alright, an upside down mk ii escort. Which many of them probably were at some point.

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5 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

And just to show that whilst there are many things to admire about Russia; car building isn't one of them.

I give you, and I'm sorry about this, the AvtoVAZ Lada 4x4 SUV.  Stop laughing you at the back.

 

5891ae51c46188d8568b458d.jpg

 

https://www.rt.com/business/375887-lada-atovaz-china-uae-exports/

That's got to be a classic at this point.

 

Hyundai's look very good at this point and have a 7 year warranty nb I have never owned one.

 

 

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