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2017, The autoself destruct sequence is initiated for the MSM

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I would put this on the prediction thread, but it will deserve it's own thread.

As the mainstream media battles to regain lost ground, those that have not helped with the narrative will face the consequences. They will be cannibalising each other, over for a dwindling audience. The sector, I believe, will face hard consolidation as alternative "bloggers" working from one camera and a computer, win over audiences from professional actors/actresses, and newscasters backed with the might of almost unlimited resources.

Mariah Carey, a Hilary Clinton supporter, has already called out "Sabotage" at this New Years Event in New York. The pressure is on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4080326/Was-Mariah-Carey-s-Times-Square-performance-sabotaged-ratings.html

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Representatives for Dick Clark Productions hit back at claims they sabotaged Mariah Carey's New Year's Eve performance in Times Square, calling the accusations 'defamatory, outrageous and frankly absurd'.

Just incompetent? - at any rate any publicity is good publicity.

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Be careful! The danger of all these blogs and other "special" websites, as opposed to MSM, is that you follow what you want to see and ignore the rest. :o

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5 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Be careful! The danger of all these blogs and other "special" websites, as opposed to MSM, is that you follow what you want to see and ignore the rest. :o

 

Heard the phrase: "What is life?"

People are more sceptical (there is hope for humanity after all?) it seems these days.

They no longer accept a talking head, saying this is black and this is white. Now go away and vote the way we want you to.

They want to dig deeper, and if the rabbit hole is deep, then people will follow it.

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3 minutes ago, 200p said:

 

Heard the phrase: "What is life?"

People are more sceptical (there is hope for humanity after all?) it seems these days.

They no longer accept a talking head, saying this is black and this is white. Now go away and vote the way we want you to.

They want to dig deeper, and if the rabbit hole is deep, then people will follow it.

Was that Esther Rantzen?:mellow:

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32 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Be careful! The danger of all these blogs and other "special" websites, as opposed to MSM, is that you follow what you want to see and ignore the rest. :o

Same goes for the MSM.  The MSM has its biases and you follow what you want.  Look at Guardian readers.  Preaching to the choir.  Sorry, I refuse to accept your word special put in inverted commas.  That seeks to separate MSM from independent sites.  All the same.  Choose your poison(s). 

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27 minutes ago, 200p said:

 

Heard the phrase: "What is life?"

People are more sceptical (there is hope for humanity after all?) it seems these days.

They no longer accept a talking head, saying this is black and this is white. Now go away and vote the way we want you to.

They want to dig deeper, and if the rabbit hole is deep, then people will follow it.

People don't want to dig deeper, they want to find sources that fit with their own set of prejudices and biases. Not swallowing the MSM whole isn't healthy scepticism if it isn't applied to other sources, particularly ones with even fewer checks. It's no good not trusting the BBC and then believing everything told to you by the online equivalent of some bloke in the pub.

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7 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said:

Same goes for the MSM.  The MSM has its biases and you follow what you want.  Look at Guardian readers.  Preaching to the choir.  Sorry, I refuse to accept your word special put in inverted commas.  That seeks to separate MSM from independent sites.  All the same.  Choose your poison(s). 

Yep, I've always bought newspapers that held similar views to me.

So they report what I want to hear in the way that I want to hear it.

There is no unbiased news; I read RT knowing that it is biased and adjusting for that.

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2 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Yep, I've always bought newspapers that held similar views to me.

So they report what I want to hear in the way that I want to hear it.

There is no unbiased news; I read RT knowing that it is biased and adjusting for that.

I hope Mr Pin enjoys his wonderful unbiased news told in plumby voices.....

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3 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said:

I hope Mr Pin enjoys his wonderful unbiased news told in plumby voices.....

Is that Riedquat's mythical "bloke in the pub"?

Let's say if you are suspicious of one "news source" you should be suspicious of them all! Pin has spoken. That is all.

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I find it incredible that the blatant lie that "Russia hacked the US election" keeps being told by the MSM. 

NO.

Russian hackers successfully phished Podesta's email address (which was laughably insecure) and found out various naughty things the Dems were getting up to - including feeding questions to CNN.  "Russia hacked the US election" after Trump wins sounds like Russia miraculously hacked the vote-counting mechanisms in place and made sure Trump won. Horrible vagueness from the MSM that constitutes as a LIE.  I sure hope they autoself desctruct this year. 

 

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3 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Is that Riedquat's mythical "bloke in the pub"?

Let's say if you are suspicious of one "news source" you should be suspicious of them all! Pin has spoken. That is all.

That's what I am saying (be suspicious of them all).  In the case of the Russian "hacking", the facts are out there.  You can find the facts, because ALL news sources acknowledge them.  It's how they report those facts.  It's the spin.

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If newspapers were exactly like they were 20 years ago, I would probably still buy them like I did 20 years ago. They,re not going to get rich by targeting my demographic, but surely it makes more sense then targeting people who basically aren't interested in newspapers.

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1 hour ago, canbuywontbuy said:

Same goes for the MSM.  The MSM has its biases and you follow what you want.  Look at Guardian readers.  Preaching to the choir.  Sorry, I refuse to accept your word special put in inverted commas.  That seeks to separate MSM from independent sites.  All the same.  Choose your poison(s). 

I don't think it is the wilder areas of blogdom on such as partisan or conspiracy sites  that is killing the MSM. Far more deadly are the sites written and run by specialists in their fields whose analysis often shows up the output of the mainstream media as poorly researched, often based on received opinion and frequently just plain wrong. For example  The potential for a serious credit crunch and banking crash in the decade post millennium was picked up by some of the economic bloggers long before the mainstream press realised what was going on. The truth is that 30 minutes dedicated searching on the internet on many topics will reveal that a lot of what is reported as news by supposedly reputable institutions such as the BBC is often distorted and garbled beyond recognition. It is not all deliberate. Much of it is simply poor journalism.

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5 hours ago, 200p said:

I would put this on the prediction thread, but it will deserve it's own thread.

As the mainstream media battles to regain lost ground, those that have not helped with the narrative will face the consequences. They will be cannibalising each other, over for a dwindling audience. The sector, I believe, will face hard consolidation as alternative "bloggers" working from one camera and a computer, win over audiences from professional actors/actresses, and newscasters backed with the might of almost unlimited resources.

Mariah Carey, a Hilary Clinton supporter, has already called out "Sabotage" at this New Years Event in New York. The pressure is on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4080326/Was-Mariah-Carey-s-Times-Square-performance-sabotaged-ratings.html

No. Most of the 'alternative media' will either sell out and be taken over by the 'mainstream' or, in any case, pressure from advertisers will exert its influence and ensure that non-mainstream views remain obscure.

After all, the printing press was a democratising force when it was first invented.

The players might change, but the game will be the same.  The rich and powerful will make sure you share their view of things.

See, for example, climate change denial.  

 

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3 minutes ago, BuyToLeech said:

No. Most of the 'alternative media' will either sell out and be taken over by the 'mainstream' or, in any case, pressure from advertisers will exert its influence and ensure that non-mainstream views remain obscure.

After all, the printing press was a democratising force when it was first invented.

The players might change, but the game will be the same.  The rich and powerful will make sure you share their view of things.

See, for example, climate change denial.  

 

I wholeheartedly agree with your argument, except for the denial thing. Once you use the word "denial" you have closed your mind.:huh:

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4 hours ago, Riedquat said:

People don't want to dig deeper, they want to find sources that fit with their own set of prejudices and biases. Not swallowing the MSM whole isn't healthy scepticism if it isn't applied to other sources, particularly ones with even fewer checks. It's no good not trusting the BBC and then believing everything told to you by the online equivalent of some bloke in the pub.

I agree with a lot you say. It does need to be pointed out, however, that the BBC has completely lost the plot as far as a trustworthy news outlet. It basically is The Guardian and the Guardian is basically the BBC. It still panders to that metropolitan London elite. The rot started with 9/11 and was only confirmed to me when Andrew Gilligan was sacked for his accusation that Campbell's 45 minute dossier was sexed up. It was downhill all the way from then on. There's more true info on this forum than anything you will hear on the BBC.

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7 minutes ago, Tabasco kid said:

I agree with a lot you say. It does need to be pointed out, however, that the BBC has completely lost the plot as far as a trustworthy news outlet. It basically is The Guardian and the Guardian is basically the BBC. It still panders to that metropolitan London elite. The rot started with 9/11 and was only confirmed to me when Andrew Gilligan was sacked for his accusation that Campbell's 45 minute dossier was sexed up. It was downhill all the way from then on. There's more true info on this forum than anything you will hear on the BBC.

The wisdom is in your head, and not mine! I am only a guide!

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The Guardians just a dumb public sector rag. Sure, they do odd good stuff but the bulk is just public sector needs more people.

The BBC is slightly more complex. 

It has the arrogance if being the worlds largest, best funded broadcaster.

Its statist in that it thinks the pr arm government and it employs the brightest and best. But its been getting its a5s served on a plate by itv and ch5. It clings to eastenders and strictly as its failed to deliver popular programs, just derivative crp. Downton Abbey wiped the beeb on the floor.

Bbc drama has been dire bar the odd thing. With the bbc budget it should not be hit or miss.

Bbctv news is dire. It employs 1000s, world serive is good but the rest is just brief reports.

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47 minutes ago, Tabasco kid said:

I agree with a lot you say. It does need to be pointed out, however, that the BBC has completely lost the plot as far as a trustworthy news outlet. It basically is The Guardian and the Guardian is basically the BBC. It still panders to that metropolitan London elite. The rot started with 9/11 and was only confirmed to me when Andrew Gilligan was sacked for his accusation that Campbell's 45 minute dossier was sexed up. It was downhill all the way from then on. There's more true info on this forum than anything you will hear on the BBC.

Not arguing with you about the BBC, the state of its reporting these days is shameful. I'm just not at all persuaded that everything else isn't just as bad or worse, even if it's in different ways.

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On the Guardian the other day I saw some right winger going into glorious battle in the comments, and one guy he was sparring with was saying , "Why are you even here?  Go away!".

Kinda surreal tbh.  I read lots of different viewpoints.

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14 hours ago, Riedquat said:

Not arguing with you about the BBC, the state of its reporting these days is shameful. I'm just not at all persuaded that everything else isn't just as bad or worse, even if it's in different ways.

The only solution is to turn off the news altogether.

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19 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

I find it incredible that the blatant lie that "Russia hacked the US election" keeps being told by the MSM. 

NO.

Russian hackers successfully phished Podesta's email address (which was laughably insecure) and found out various naughty things the Dems were getting up to - including feeding questions to CNN.  "Russia hacked the US election" after Trump wins sounds like Russia miraculously hacked the vote-counting mechanisms in place and made sure Trump won. Horrible vagueness from the MSM that constitutes as a LIE.  I sure hope they autoself desctruct this year. 

 

That's odd, I had assumed (without bothering to check as I don't care) that the claim was Russia had somehow hacked the Soros owned voting machines that they use.

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