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Whether it's the homeless families who are priced out of the housing market that only works for the few.
This Christmas 120,000 children didn't have a home to call their own. That is scandalous and it's damaging to those young people's very formative years.


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But does he support bedroom tax (and extend it to OAPs)? That would have freed up plenty of family homes if labour council's weren't supporting people to stay in properties that are too big for them. 

I am a firm believer that council housing should be appropriate to need. And for me that means families in family homes. It all requires there being more properties built for social housing. And if one council's data is right then there's huge demand for 2 bedroom bungalows (Is that cos OAPs can have 2 bedrooms as they are exempt from Bedroom tax?) 
Until more homes are built, I think it makes sense to make best use of the 750,000 empty bedrooms  by allowing people to live in them. 

 

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Tell us something we don`t know jezza , like what the feck are you going to do about it 

Corporate handouts to the biggest companies ...how much do the labour parties working tax credits subsidise the the biggest companies ...if that`s not a cooperate handout... i give up  

 

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I didn't listen to his speech.  Don't need to.  He's just a cardboard cut-out politician making all the right noises and being utterly ineffective.  The left need a Trump-like straight talker.  They're leaving a golden opportunity on the table here - there's so much to straight-talk about: housing, immigration numbers, national debt, big business not paying taxes, the opportunity to create a health revolution (get the nation fit, happy and healthy), it's all there. Do something different. But no, Jezza is Jezza.   I swear people support him purely out of nostalgia for leftwing politics in the late 1970s / early 80s. And the fact that he's Not-Nu-Labour.  The trouble is - he's Not-anything.

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He wasn't even able to miss the sound bite word "change" out of his message.

Plenty of problems identified.  The "promises" will come just before the election and they'll be reneged on straightaway if by some remote chance he wins the election.

It's an identical speech made between general elections often at New Year by all the LibLabCon over many decades.

So no change.

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A new year gives everyone the opportunity to start afresh, so let’s work together to make Britain better in 2017. RT 

 

No it doesn't - it's not as if house prices are going to suddenly become reasonable tomorrow.  Not in one day over the weekend.  Until stuff like reasonable house prices happen then it's just another year and another number - pretty much the same as last year and the year before that and the year before that etc etc.....  

What's he going to do about that "to start afresh".  As usual he doesn't say - he doesn't even give a New Year's resolution on the subject.

Of course New Year also gives all of them the opportunity to spout more meaningless fairy tale rubbish.

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I dont think jeremy corbyn is the best leader, but the whole system is geared up against a populist, genuinely left wing straight talker gaining power. Im not just talking about the right wing press as you would expect, but the liberal press  too. Look how hostile the guardian and the bbc are to corbyn. Not only does anyone who goes against the interests of capital face opposition from the right, but they will also be undermined by the liberal elite as well; look at how the Parliamentary labour party treated corbyn or what the Democrat party machine did to bernie sanders.

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, nothernsoul said:

I dont think jeremy corbyn is the best leader, but the whole system is geared up against a populist, genuinely left wing straight talker gaining power. Im not just talking about the right wing press as you would expect, but the liberal press  too. Look how hostile the guardian and the bbc are to corbyn. Not only does anyone who goes against the interests of capital face opposition from the right, but they will also be undermined by the liberal elite as well; look at how the Parliamentary labour party treated corbyn or what the Democrat party machine did to bernie sanders.

 

 

 

Define left wing.

Again, as a blue collar labour type, the 'left' in ghe UK is nothing more than self interested public sevtor and doleys. Theres nothing progressive about giving LA ceos and nhs drs wads of cash.

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13 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

I didn't listen to his speech.  Don't need to.  He's just a cardboard cut-out politician making all the right noises and being utterly ineffective.  The left need a Trump-like straight talker.  They're leaving a golden opportunity on the table here - there's so much to straight-talk about: housing, immigration numbers, national debt, big business not paying taxes, the opportunity to create a health revolution (get the nation fit, happy and healthy), it's all there. Do something different. But no, Jezza is Jezza.   I swear people support him purely out of nostalgia for leftwing politics in the late 1970s / early 80s. And the fact that he's Not-Nu-Labour.  The trouble is - he's Not-anything.

Agree can't buy.  What is needed is a straight talker.  I honestly thought corbyn was one which is why I voted for him as labour leader :ph34r:.  However, he seems to have been moulded into a suit that says 'the right thing'. 

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5 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Agree can't buy.  What is needed is a straight talker.  I honestly thought corbyn was one which is why I voted for him as labour leader :ph34r:.  However, he seems to have been moulded into a suit that says 'the right thing'. 

No. Moulded in a suit that says naive posh kid with red wedge badge.

The fact hes spent his parlimentary career fighting, mainly, for foriegn causes is a good sign. 

Beware any Labour member who spends fckall with working class. Blsir, Brown, Corbyn - there voter basemight have come from Mars.

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1 minute ago, spyguy said:

No. Moulded in a suit that says naive posh kid with red wedge badge.

The fact hes spent his parlimentary career fighting, mainly, for foriegn causes is a good sign. 

Beware any Labour member who spends fckall with working class. Blsir, Brown, Corbyn - there voter basemight have come from Mars.

Well that's probably all of them discounted.  I couldn't name one of the current crop who have been anywhere near the indigenous working class. Maybe skinner but he's not going to be around much longer 

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3 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Well that's probably all of them discounted.  I couldn't name one of the current crop who have been anywhere near the indigenous working class. Maybe skinner but he's not going to be around much longer 

Dan Jarvis woul have caused problems for the Cons.

Instead of an ex soldier youve got some who spent the 80s hanging out with Gerry Adams. The fact that Labour doesnot grasp hos bad that will backfire in most the North.All UKip need to do is put leaflets out with jezza and gezza and theyll win boro and tyneside.

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1 minute ago, spyguy said:

Dan Jarvis woul have caused problems for the Cons.

Instead of an ex soldier youve got some who spent the 80s hanging out with Gerry Adams. The fact that Labour doesnot grasp hos bad that will backfire in most the North.All UKip need to do is put leaflets out with jezza and gezza and theyll win boro and tyneside.

Forgot about Jarvis.  Yes, he might have shaken things up a bit but who knows, a complete unknown and he has gone v quite since. 

It would also take more than one bod to make a difference. Needs a groundswell of likeminded people who want to take the party back to where it should be. Too many bleeding heart sjws in the plp for that 

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4 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Forgot about Jarvis.  Yes, he might have shaken things up a bit but who knows, a complete unknown and he has gone v quite since. 

It would also take more than one bod to make a difference. Needs a groundswell of likeminded people who want to take the party back to where it should be. Too many bleeding heart sjws in the plp for that 

I think his wife died andand has ylung kids.

Labour is so fcked after Brown, who spent years getting rid of anyone he thought would challenge him. He was preparing for decades in charge. He was that much of a loon.

Having Diane Abbot is not going to help Corbyn.

If theres anyone the working northerer hates more than Thatcher, is thick public sector wimmin esp ethnic ones.

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12 minutes ago, spyguy said:

I think his wife died andand has ylung kids.

Labour is so fcked after Brown, who spent years getting rid of anyone he thought would challenge him. He was preparing for decades in charge. He was that much of a loon.

Having Diane Abbot is not going to help Corbyn.

If theres anyone the working northerer hates more than Thatcher, is thick public sector wimmin esp ethnic ones.

Every time I see her on the TV it feels like Labour lose another 1000 votes.

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Left wing is somebody who will try to redistribute power from capital to labour( workers). Someone who explicitly talks about class interests and not just identity politics. New labour gave people who traditionally vote for them money in the form of benefits and the like, however they were careful not to give them more power or challenge thatchers 1979 concensus. I agree corbyn and abbot are not the best politicians, but from neil kinnock onwards the left wing of the labour party was reduced to an ineffective rump. In my opinion the most promising person for leader they have is clive lewis.

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6 minutes ago, nothernsoul said:

Left wing is somebody who will try to redistribute power from capital to labour( workers). Someone who explicitly talks about class interests and not just identity politics. New labour gave people who traditionally vote for them money in the form of benefits and the like, however they were careful not to give them more power or challenge thatchers 1979 concensus. I agree corbyn and abbot are not the best politicians, but from neil kinnock onwards the left wing of the labour party was reduced to an ineffective rump. In my opinion the most promising person for leader they have is clive lewis.

As opposed to cistributing money from work/labour to the nworking/idle/benefits?

Labour was a collective movement. Brown/Corbyn turned it into a joke/shackle.

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On 12/30/2016 at 4:33 PM, SarahBell said:
I am a firm believer that council housing should be appropriate to need. 

Council house stock used to make money, and certainly didn't lose it. And high standards were expected from the tenants, including having job and a means to pay. If a person had lived in a council house all his life, and his parents died or his children left, he could stay on, which seems humane to me. Is it H.B. that you are really against?

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44 minutes ago, spyguy said:

As opposed to cistributing money from work/labour to the nworking/idle/benefits?

Labour was a collective movement. Brown/Corbyn turned it into a joke/shackle.

Yep, born out of collectivism. It's the only way that ordinary people can fight the power of capital. That's why there was such a concerted effort to dismantle trade unions. And the fecking sheeple went along with it.  "Oh, I can't afford to take industrial action ". Well you can't afford not to, look where we are now.  Zero hour contract anyone.  We are back to turning up at the dock gate to see if we can be taken on for the day. 

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3 hours ago, One-percent said:

Well that's probably all of them discounted.  I couldn't name one of the current crop who have been anywhere near the indigenous working class. Maybe skinner but he's not going to be around much longer 

Dennis Skinner is a legend.

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5 minutes ago, mathschoc said:

Dennis Skinner is a legend.

Hes a bit of a t1t.

Ive met him via family connections. His concerns are just too narrow.

His failure to call Scarhill what he is - a on the make marxist,  lost Dennis  credibility.

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13 minutes ago, mathschoc said:

Dennis Skinner is a legend.

Agree. My daughter in her placement year from uni asked if she could do an internship with him.  His response was sadly no as he didn't exploit people.  

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31 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Agree. My daughter in her placement year from uni asked if she could do an internship with him.  His response was sadly no as he didn't exploit people.  

Dennis does not scale.

He holds certain groups close, too close, and excludes the wider population.

He hassome good idea but he screws them up by being too partisan.

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3 hours ago, spyguy said:

Dan Jarvis woul have caused problems for the Cons.

Instead of an ex soldier youve got some who spent the 80s hanging out with Gerry Adams. The fact that Labour doesnot grasp hos bad that will backfire in most the North.All UKip need to do is put leaflets out with jezza and gezza and theyll win boro and tyneside.

Not pejoratively but I really don't get why you call yourself a blue collar labour type? Your work doesn't sound blue collar and you don't seem to be particularly sympathetic to socialism? Dan Jarvis would have been another Labour suit parroting tory lite policies and doing nothing to help anyone (or the interests of this site). Rather than ridiculous policies like the Bedroom Tax (that's not at you) the homes pledge should however be applauded and backed:

"We will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy. We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership."

Now I'm sure someone will be along to say that he won't do it or whatever but if you can't take a major pledge at face value then there's little point engaging at all (which isn't per se a bad idea!).

As for who else instead of Corbyn, Clive Lewis is the obvious choice but if you want a populist type then Richard Burgon is the obvious choice for anyone that knows anything about Labour Party politics.

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5 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Dennis does not scale.

He holds certain groups close, too close, and excludes the wider population.

He hassome good idea but he screws them up by being too partisan.

That's a good summation of the Labour party, not just Dennis

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4 hours ago, nothernsoul said:

I dont think jeremy corbyn is the best leader, but the whole system is geared up against a populist, genuinely left wing straight talker gaining power.

 

 

 

And where was Corbyn when RBS et al were going through the next generations future in 2008?

He may be a lot of things,but genuinely left wing? For whom?
 

18 hours ago, canbuywontbuy said:

I didn't listen to his speech.  Don't need to.  He's just a cardboard cut-out politician making all the right noises and being utterly ineffective.  The left need a Trump-like straight talker.  They're leaving a golden opportunity on the table here - there's so much to straight-talk about: housing, immigration numbers, national debt, big business not paying taxes, the opportunity to create a health revolution (get the nation fit, happy and healthy), it's all there. Do something different. But no, Jezza is Jezza.   I swear people support him purely out of nostalgia for leftwing politics in the late 1970s / early 80s. And the fact that he's Not-Nu-Labour.  The trouble is - he's Not-anything.

Bang on.The left need someone who's not a socialist when it comes to the banking classes.

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Lets be honest if anyone was to propose the types of radical reforms this country needs nobody would vote for them. At the end of the day most people want, and will vote for, a free lunch. 

Eventually the market will take over and make the tough decisions for us.

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