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http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/14971990.They_re_building_on_THIS__Anger_as_council_agrees_new_homes_on_Worcester_flood_zone/?ref=fbpg

 

The fields will feature three attenuation ponds, wetlands and an orchard to soak in water, and one bungalow on the site will be raised to a higher level.

The firm also promised to make 40 per cent of the scheme social housing.

Cllr Jo Hodges said: "The word that makes me a bit shaky is 'probability', because that's just a forecast - and against that we've got people actually seeing flooding with their own eyes, seeing is believing.

"Seeing the photos, there must be real concern it could flood. But it's difficult to argue with the expert evidence."

 

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They'll be building bridges between the young & the old...

 

 Techno bridge on the river kwai mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiFSMh7xUoI

 

When The Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Parts - Parts I and II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12xj1sHvIWA

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I've been in Bengal during the monsoon and Thailand many times during the flooding season (around October)...In Thailand I have seen knee deep flooding at lunch time and by evening you would never know anything had happened...everything mopped up and back to normal.  Flooding doesn't not need to be such an issue...high kerbs, hard floors, high level electrics can mitigate the issue, wall to wall carpets and wall paper etc are not a good idea in high risk areas.  

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1 minute ago, Wayward said:

I've been in Bengal during the monsoon and Thailand many times during the flooding season (around October)...In Thailand I have seen knee deep flooding at lunch time and by evening you would never know anything had happened...everything mopped up and back to normal.  Flooding doesn't not need to be such an issue...high kerbs, hard floors, high level electrics can mitigate the issue, wall to wall carpets and wall paper etc are not a good idea in high risk areas.  

DO they have sewers that back up there during floods, like here does ? 

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3 minutes ago, Saving For a Space Ship said:

DO they have sewers that back up there during floods, like here does ? 

situation will be different in different areas but I expect flood waters will contain foul especially in India...that said when you see how they respond to routine flooding events and how they are prepared for them you will understand that it does not need to be the disaster we make it.

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Environment Agency's flood zoning maps are drawn at low resolution. We work with flood consultants on new developments (I'm in architecture) who use fluid modelling along with topographical data who prove that flooding is not an issue, or mitigate it through design proposals. That fluid modelling is usually based on a 1 in 100 year event plus a 40pc increase to consider climate change.

If it wasn't flooding it would be something else. It's NIMBYism.

Having said that, perhaps it's a back hander to the EA?!

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4 hours ago, SarahBell said:

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/14971990.They_re_building_on_THIS__Anger_as_council_agrees_new_homes_on_Worcester_flood_zone/?ref=fbpg

 

The fields will feature three attenuation ponds, wetlands and an orchard to soak in water, and one bungalow on the site will be raised to a higher level.

The firm also promised to make 40 per cent of the scheme social housing.

Cllr Jo Hodges said: "The word that makes me a bit shaky is 'probability', because that's just a forecast - and against that we've got people actually seeing flooding with their own eyes, seeing is believing.

"Seeing the photos, there must be real concern it could flood. But it's difficult to argue with the expert evidence."

 

 

Yeah, sure.  Great.  Why not?  Go ahead.  Just tosh it together...

What could possibly go wrong?

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Why not build houses on stilts in areas liable to flood?  Native houses in the far east eg Malaysia have done this at the sides of rivers etc.  We could do the same with modern building materials.

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6 minutes ago, janch said:

Why not build houses on stilts in areas liable to flood?  Native houses in the far east eg Malaysia have done this at the sides of rivers etc.  We could do the same with modern building materials.

nice idea I like it, I'm already picturing a sh*tload of zero yielding space in between the stilts, bang up some chipboard, chuck some fibreglass in there to "insulate it", cut out some holes for a couple of cheapo plastic windows, paint it inside AND out, put on an expensive looking door and BANG rent it out to some well meaning young professionals. only thing is you'd have to word the contract somehow so that you weren't liable when it actually floods!

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2 minutes ago, thewig said:

nice idea I like it, I'm already picturing a sh*tload of zero yielding space in between the stilts, bang up some chipboard, chuck some fibreglass in there to "insulate it", cut out some holes for a couple of cheapo plastic windows, paint it inside AND out, put on an expensive looking door and BANG rent it out to some well meaning young professionals. only thing is you'd have to word the contract somehow so that you weren't liable when it actually floods!

Actually I was forgetting most new developments have "coach houses" ie flats above garages.  That would be ideal....just let the car cop it when it floods:D or better still rent out the garage (innit) to the well meaning young professionals.

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10 minutes ago, janch said:

Why not build houses on stilts in areas liable to flood?  Native houses in the far east eg Malaysia have done this at the sides of rivers etc.  We could do the same with modern building materials.

Because the cars float away, the garden gets filled with sewage and the inhabitants are stranded in their house for the duration of the flood.  And it isn't as though there isn't room anywhere else.

1 hour ago, Wayward said:

I've been in Bengal during the monsoon and Thailand many times during the flooding season (around October)...In Thailand I have seen knee deep flooding at lunch time and by evening you would never know anything had happened...everything mopped up and back to normal.  Flooding doesn't not need to be such an issue...high kerbs, hard floors, high level electrics can mitigate the issue, wall to wall carpets and wall paper etc are not a good idea in high risk areas.  

When I was little our house flooded every couple of years or so.  When there was a flood warning we pulled up all the carpets, put then on the tables, then put everything else on top of the carpets and moved out to a relatives for a few days.  Post flood it was wash out, couple of days drying then carpets back.

Now that was rural, so not so much sewage in the floodwater, etc, and I don't wish it on anybody, but I don't understand how it is necessary to redecorate the whole house after flooding.

Funnily enough, a few years ago they sorted out the bridge downstream which was holding back the floodwater -- my parent's house doesn't flood any more.  The houses downstream of the bridge, that used to be okay, flood now instead.

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Let's build on flood plains. It's great for the economy.

1. Great news for painters / decorators - repeat business.

2. Great news for people who hire out or sell large fans/blowers and dehumidifiers.

3. Great news for furniture sellers, and Carpet sellers/fitters.

4. Great news for the car industry. Flood damaged cars get replaced well before they get to high mileage.

5. Shops generally get more business as more stuff like food, clothes white goods etc have to be replaced.

6. Great for home builders - they get business of building the homes.

7. Great for letting agencies as they have higher "churn".

8. Great for self storage places as people move more often.

9. Great for investors as they have more properties to buy.

10. Great for banks as they have more loans to make.

11. Great for doctors who have to treat more respiratory conditions and arthritis due to the damp. :wacko:

 

Can you think of any more? Please comment below! (sorry it sounds like a puff piece)

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3 hours ago, janch said:

Why not build houses on stilts in areas liable to flood?  Native houses in the far east eg Malaysia have done this at the sides of rivers etc.  We could do the same with modern building materials.

Flooded Again - Time To Build Thousands Of Floating Houses
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/207551-flooded-again-time-to-build-thousands-of-floating-houses/

3 hours ago, 200p said:

Let the buyer bewet

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H2Ouse

3 hours ago, thewig said:

nice idea I like it, I'm already picturing a sh*tload of zero yielding space in between the stilts, bang up some chipboard, chuck some fibreglass in there to "insulate it", cut out some holes for a couple of cheapo plastic windows, paint it inside AND out, put on an expensive looking door and BANG rent it out to some well meaning young professionals. only thing is you'd have to word the contract somehow so that you weren't liable when it actually floods!

:D

Edited by Saving For a Space Ship

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7 hours ago, SarahBell said:

http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/14971990.They_re_building_on_THIS__Anger_as_council_agrees_new_homes_on_Worcester_flood_zone/?ref=fbpg

 

The fields will feature three attenuation ponds, wetlands and an orchard to soak in water, and one bungalow on the site will be raised to a higher level.

The firm also promised to make 40 per cent of the scheme social housing.

Cllr Jo Hodges said: "The word that makes me a bit shaky is 'probability', because that's just a forecast - and against that we've got people actually seeing flooding with their own eyes, seeing is believing.

"Seeing the photos, there must be real concern it could flood. But it's difficult to argue with the expert evidence."

 

Hmmm, could a FLOODplain .. flood?

 

Seems to me that there is a bit more than just  'a concern that it could ..' but then I.m one of those bearish people talking prices down so don't pay any attention to me.

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4 hours ago, dgul said:

Because the cars float away, the garden gets filled with sewage and the inhabitants are stranded in their house for the duration of the flood.  And it isn't as though there isn't room anywhere else.

When I was little our house flooded every couple of years or so.  When there was a flood warning we pulled up all the carpets, put then on the tables, then put everything else on top of the carpets and moved out to a relatives for a few days.  Post flood it was wash out, couple of days drying then carpets back.

Now that was rural, so not so much sewage in the floodwater, etc, and I don't wish it on anybody, but I don't understand how it is necessary to redecorate the whole house after flooding.

Funnily enough, a few years ago they sorted out the bridge downstream which was holding back the floodwater -- my parent's house doesn't flood any more.  The houses downstream of the bridge, that used to be okay, flood now instead.

my garden was flooded on the day the first viewing was due as I was selling, I had 30 mins to cancel. The garden was covered in toilet paper and tampons. My place would have flooded internally except next doors toilet was one inch lower than mine so it poured out over his and stopped one inch below the rim of mine. I was not any where near a river or flood plain...it was caused by a new development nearby with large car park with poor drainage. Lesson was that almost anyplace can flood after a cloud burst...you would never have been able to predict this. The neighbours live in a hotel for months and milked the insurance shamelessly.

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12 hours ago, Wayward said:

my garden was flooded on the day the first viewing was due as I was selling, I had 30 mins to cancel. The garden was covered in toilet paper and tampons. My place would have flooded internally except next doors toilet was one inch lower than mine so it poured out over his and stopped one inch below the rim of mine. I was not any where near a river or flood plain...it was caused by a new development nearby with large car park with poor drainage. Lesson was that almost anyplace can flood after a cloud burst...you would never have been able to predict this. The neighbours live in a hotel for months and milked the insurance shamelessly.

Ta for the anecdote. I assume the neighbours could only do the insurance milking a couple of times before the cost of re-insuring was exorbitant. 

it does concern me that the big Ro-Ro skips appear after a flood &  vids of victims chucking all stuff in them appear. I've not seen talk of re-use / cleaning & / or donation to low income folks. Perhaps this happens for the uninsurable who are forced to re-use. 

I recall ideas of tiling floor & walls in flood prone homes, but do not know how widespread it is.

 

"UK's winter floods create 30,000 tonnes of landfill waste Furniture, kitchen goods and carpets ‘contaminated’ by floodwater can’t be recycled and will cost councils over an estimated £2 million in landfill tax "

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/feb/11/uks-winter-floods-create-30000-tonnes-of-landfill-waste

Last winter's floods 'most extreme on record in UK', says study

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/05/last-winters-floods-most-extreme-on-record-uk-study

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LOL, like the builders give a dam (sic).

 

They applied for planning in my town to build on the flood plain, and this isnt a in theory flood plain, it floods 3-4 times a year, some years stays under water for months at a time.  The council threw it out.

 

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On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 0:57 PM, Wayward said:

situation will be different in different areas but I expect flood waters will contain foul especially in India...that said when you see how they respond to routine flooding events and how they are prepared for them you will understand that it does not need to be the disaster we make it.

Some people near me have done exactly that. 

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/extra-floor-house-48684/

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On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Bronson said:

Environment Agency's flood zoning maps are drawn at low resolution. We work with flood consultants on new developments (I'm in architecture) who use fluid modelling along with topographical data who prove that flooding is not an issue, or mitigate it through design proposals. That fluid modelling is usually based on a 1 in 100 year event plus a 40pc increase to consider climate change.

If it wasn't flooding it would be something else. It's NIMBYism.

Having said that, perhaps it's a back hander to the EA?!

I looked at a house that was in the next range which I think was 1 in 1000 year event. The agent kindly let me know it flooded to that level 5 years prior...

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