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What happened in Parliament Wed 7.12.2016?

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exactly what was the meaning of the vote?

The newspapers seem to think that Brexit is now a done deal.

What is happening at the Supreme Court.

Anyone understand this?

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The Government now has the Parliamentary authority to enact the art. 50 process (by March 2017). It was voted on and passed by a massive majority. They will not need further Parliamentary approval prior to art. 50.

Edited by Errol

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3 minutes ago, Errol said:

The Government now has the Parliamentary authority to enact the art. 50 process (by March 2017). It was voted on and passed by a massive majority. They will not need further Parliamentary approval prior to art. 50.

As your friend Donald would say - wrong!

This was just a motion.  It doesn't give any authority but just says it would be a good idea if the government got its act together.

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5 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

As your friend Donald would say - wrong!

This was just a motion.  It doesn't give any authority but just says it would be a good idea if the government got its act together.

That isn't what the Government thinks!

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1 hour ago, thecrashingisles said:

As your friend Donald would say - wrong!

This was just a motion.  It doesn't give any authority but just says it would be a good idea if the government got its act together.

It is non binding  but the indications are that the Supreme Court will probably take it into account when considering the upcoming Court Case about invoking article 50. Anyway we will find out in due course. The main point is surely going to be that triggering Article 50 is a prerequisite for beginning negotiations under the current EU treaties. My suspicion is that Brussels don't want the UK hanging round like a bad smell while we argue internally over what we want particularly as many in the EU don't actually like our existing pre Referendum terms of membership of the Union with all its opt outs etc. The fact is that the UK commitment to  European Political and Monetary Union was only half hearted even before the referendum result was known. I doubt that Brussels is going to let us simply maintain the status quo after causing all this turmoil. While many Remainers berate Brexiters for their lack of strategy for the future most wont acknowledge that most of them don't really have a clear vision of what Britain's position in the EU should be either or how they envisage that the wider crisis that is gripping Europe should be resolved.  I have not seen any clear proposals about addressing the wider problems of monetary union, migration, unemployment, attempts by members states to game tax and benefit policies  and the general democratic deficit that exists in an EU structure that is essentially run by bureaucrats and a Council of Ministers who get their decisions rubber stamped by the European Parliament. That is not to say that Europe is unique in suffering this latter problem as it also exists within the UK Constitution as well. However, with regard to the EU no one seems to be coming up with any positive proposals for reform. The strategy seems to be to try to maintain the status quo (and therefore by definition their jobs and perks) by kicking the can down the road and limping after it as long as possible

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9 hours ago, stormymonday_2011 said:

It is non binding  but the indications are that the Supreme Court will probably take it into account when considering the upcoming Court Case about invoking article 50. Anyway we will find out in due course. The main point is surely going to be that triggering Article 50 is a prerequisite for beginning negotiations under the current EU treaties. My suspicion is that Brussels don't want the UK hanging round like a bad smell while we argue internally over what we want particularly as many in the EU don't actually like our existing pre Referendum terms of membership of the Union with all its opt outs etc. The fact is that the UK commitment to  European Political and Monetary Union was only half hearted even before the referendum result was known. I doubt that Brussels is going to let us simply maintain the status quo after causing all this turmoil. While many Remainers berate Brexiters for their lack of strategy for the future most wont acknowledge that most of them don't really have a clear vision of what Britain's position in the EU should be either or how they envisage that the wider crisis that is gripping Europe should be resolved.  I have not seen any clear proposals about addressing the wider problems of monetary union, migration, unemployment, attempts by members states to game tax and benefit policies  and the general democratic deficit that exists in an EU structure that is essentially run by bureaucrats and a Council of Ministers who get their decisions rubber stamped by the European Parliament. That is not to say that Europe is unique in suffering this latter problem as it also exists within the UK Constitution as well. However, with regard to the EU no one seems to be coming up with any positive proposals for reform. The strategy seems to be to try to maintain the status quo (and therefore by definition their jobs and perks) by kicking the can down the road and limping after it as long as possible

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That is an absolutely superb post.

I used to hold the view that we could push the reform through as members, but the club doesn't want to listen. Time to leave the club.

 

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18 hours ago, Errol said:

The Government now has the Parliamentary authority to enact the art. 50 process (by March 2017). It was voted on and passed by a massive majority. They will not need further Parliamentary approval prior to art. 50.

This is precsiely what happend.

The Brix-wits were reassured that MP's  will vote for Brixit.

MP's were reassured by the promised that they will decide the terms of the exit.

The vote itself was meaningless and the idiots fell for it.

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6 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

This is precsiely what happend.

The Brix-wits were reassured that MP's  will vote for Brixit.

MP's were reassured by the promised that they will decide the terms of the exit.

The vote itself was meaningless and the idiots fell for it.

Sounds like more can-kicking

What happens when MPs are presented with a sh1t-sandwich?

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