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Europe’s green energy policy is a disaster for the environment

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7 minutes ago, Saving For a Space Ship said:

Long and short of it is that a proper life cycle analysis is really, really difficult and might yield surprising answers. So they just don't bother.

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8 hours ago, frozen_out said:

Long and short of it is that a proper life cycle analysis is really, really difficult and might yield surprising answers. So they just don't bother.

Just like recycling: continually bang the drum that it is a "good thing", massively distort the financial aspects by subsidy and taxation, and then nobody looks too closely at the resultant waste and environmental damage as compared to landfill.

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The article is misleading as it  confuses / conflates long-term and short-term carbon cycles (OK, there is of course a continuum). By burning fossil fuels we are imposing the long-term cycle on the short term, and that is the problem. The New Scientist article and the environmentalist arguments it contains both don't seem to understand that basic fact. In my opinion the environmentalists are misguided and wrong, so long as biomass is replanted.

Burning biomass is simply an acceleration of natural decomposition and the return of atmospheric carbon as atmospheric CO2 through respiration (short-term cycle), apart from the small carbon component that enters the long-term cycle (which gives us added atmospheric O2 until this carbon is also returned), and so effectively, biomass is carbon neutral on short-term time-scales. So the article and the arguments are misleading/wrong as I read them.

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Overt manipulation of markets brings all sorts of dislocations and distortions. Talked to a forrester from west coast of scotland, wood chip materials that were once used to make sheeting material - sob board, chipboard and the like are now being sent directly to be burnt. As a result there was local shortage of said materials, price had risen and more board products being imported, at a higher price.

Another potential product we could manufacture here going up in flames, literally!

 

 

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21 minutes ago, onlyme2 said:

Overt manipulation of markets brings all sorts of dislocations and distortions. Talked to a forrester from west coast of scotland, wood chip materials that were once used to make sheeting material - sob board, chipboard and the like are now being sent directly to be burnt. As a result there was local shortage of said materials, price had risen and more board products being imported, at a higher price.

Another potential product we could manufacture here going up in flames, literally!

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax_power_station#Biomass
The station burns a large range of biomass, mostly wood pellets, sunflower pellets, olive, peanut shell husk and rape meal. The majority comes from overseas.[47] A 100,000 tonne pa capacity straw pelletization facility was constructed at Capitol Park, Goole in 2008, opened 2009.[48][49][50] Construction of specialised biomass handling facilities began in 2009 at the Port of Tyne and at Drax.[51]

As of 2013 there were plans to install 1 million tonne per year wood pellets pelletizing plants at Morehouse Parish, Louisiana, and Gloster, Mississippi, which would be shipped by road and rail to the port of Baton Rouge, Louisiana then shipped in 50,000-tonne cargo ships to UK.[62] In the financial report for 2013, Drax announced that an additional 2 million tons pelletisation capacity was being considered, likely to be built in the US.[63]

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