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Brexit: 1m EU citizens in Britain 'could be at risk of deportation'

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4 hours ago, Scramz said:

If this was to materialise, what happens to this fictional supply and demand problem we have in the housing market?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/01/brexit-eu-citizens-living-britain-risk-deportation-3-million-campaign-european-union

 

It'll be interesting if they deport the 1.2m boomer Brits living on the Costa del Cirrhosis  back to the UK and their ensuing old age medical problems eh? All that boomer money buying UK property again and the increased burden on the NHS. Win-Win. What's not to like?

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18 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Hmm, no need to deport.

Just stop paying any form of benefit to any non UK national.

Its dead simple.

 

^ this

and charge non nationals for access to public services.

simples

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1 hour ago, spyguy said:

Hmm, no need to deport.

Just stop paying any form of benefit to any non UK national.

Its dead simple.

 

How will they otherwise attract strawberry pickers, minimum wage and zero hours workers?

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8 hours ago, knock out johnny said:

 

It'll be interesting if they deport the 1.2m boomer Brits living on the Costa del Cirrhosis  back to the UK and their ensuing old age medical problems eh? All that boomer money buying UK property again and the increased burden on the NHS. Win-Win. What's not to like?

...they have paid in and are entitled to use the NHS....no issue here.....:rolleyes:

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On 02/12/2016 at 3:26 PM, knock out johnny said:

 

It'll be interesting if they deport the 1.2m boomer Brits living on the Costa del Cirrhosis  back to the UK and their ensuing old age medical problems eh? All that boomer money buying UK property again and the increased burden on the NHS. Win-Win. What's not to like?

Most have health insurance.

NHS refunds any treatment + the extra the Spanish bolt on.

MOst OAPS seem to come back in their 80s when more chronic stuff kicks in.

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On 02/12/2016 at 5:14 PM, One-percent said:

and charge non nationals for access to public services.

Of course, there will then be no requirement for non-nationals to pay any tax? Only fair surely.

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1 hour ago, Funn3r said:

Of course, there will then be no requirement for non-nationals to pay any tax? Only fair surely.

Er no.  They live in the country, use the roads, transport systems, police, fire services if in need of them.  Lighting, street cleaning. They are governed and our governors need to be paid.  So they need to contribute to that through paying taxes.  They should be barred from health and education services and from benefits until they have contributed a certain amount.  Only fair. 

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38 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Er no.  They live in the country, use the roads, transport systems, police, fire services if in need of them.  Lighting, street cleaning. They are governed and our governors need to be paid.  So they need to contribute to that through paying taxes.  They should be barred from health and education services and from benefits until they have contributed a certain amount.  Only fair. 

Don't we have a pay as you go system.

If so, as long as you are paying tax you should get access to "free" services. So your proposal is not fair.

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1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Don't we have a pay as you go system.

If so, as long as you are paying tax you should get access to "free" services. So your proposal is not fair.

No, we have a residence-based system (with the exception of contribution-based JSA and ESA and the state pension).  You live here, you get it.  Whether you're a contributor has nothing to do with it.

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12 minutes ago, Will! said:

No, we have a residence-based system (with the exception of contribution-based JSA and ESA and the state pension).  You live here, you get it.  Whether you're a contributor has nothing to do with it.

Agreed, I was pointing out the reality is we have a pay as you go funding model so no justification in excluding anyone paying into the system.

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48 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Agreed, I was pointing out the reality is we have a pay as you go funding model

Not necessarily, it is possible to be 'ordinarily resident' in the UK for the purpose of receiving free-at-the-point-of-access NHS care, for example, but not statutorily resident in the UK for tax purposes.

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On 02/12/2016 at 3:26 PM, knock out johnny said:

 

It'll be interesting if they deport the 1.2m boomer Brits living on the Costa del Cirrhosis  back to the UK and their ensuing old age medical problems eh? All that boomer money buying UK property again and the increased burden on the NHS. Win-Win. What's not to like?

They almost certainly all travel home for their medical treatment. The ones I know do anyway.

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On Friday, December 02, 2016 at 3:26 PM, knock out johnny said:

 

It'll be interesting if they deport the 1.2m boomer Brits living on the Costa del Cirrhosis  back to the UK and their ensuing old age medical problems eh? All that boomer money buying UK property again and the increased burden on the NHS. Win-Win. What's not to like?

The difference with Brits on the Costa del Sol is they are self funding not a 62 year old Bulgarian big issue seller about to get a multi million pound package of health, housing benefit and minimum income guarantee for the next three decades.

When Brit runs out of money they have to return with their tail between their legs with no Spanish charity. Everybody that comes here is here forever whether they can support themselves or not.

If the dogooders had sorted this then no Brexit period.

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42 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

The difference with Brits on the Costa del Sol is they are self funding not a 62 year old Bulgarian big issue seller about to get a multi million pound package of health, housing benefit and minimum income guarantee for the next three decades.

They'll go back when the benefits dry up - the boomers coming back are back for good

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4 minutes ago, knock out johnny said:

They'll go back when the benefits dry up - the boomers coming back are back for good

What makes you think the benefits will dry up, thought we had already guaranteed residency to everybody. We just can't help ourselves treating everbody the same even if we wouldn't have the same treatment in kind abroad.

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27 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

What makes you think the benefits will dry up, thought we had already guaranteed residency to everybody. 

Isn't everything and anything up for discussion?

My original response was about the EU sending back 'ours' if we send back theirs

It's easier and more politically palatable to reform benefits than pensions/elderly health/social care

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15 hours ago, knock out johnny said:

Isn't everything and anything up for discussion?

My original response was about the EU sending back 'ours' if we send back theirs

It's easier and more politically palatable to reform benefits than pensions/elderly health/social care

I honestly can't see the Spanish wanting to send Brits home,  they are self funding from UK pensions, our NHS pays the healthcare, as soon as they have exhausted funds they go home. They are a zero burden on the Spanish taxpayer, without them the Spanish property market and economy would simply impode. Absolutely no chance of expats being sent home.

I understood May had already guaranteed everybody stays forever, including 62 year old Bulgarian big issue sellers.

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42 minutes ago, crashmonitor said:

I honestly can't see the Spanish wanting to send Brits home,  they are self funding from UK pensions, our NHS pays the healthcare, as soon as they have exhausted funds they go home. They are a zero burden on the Spanish taxpayer, without them the Spanish property market and economy would simply impode. Absolutely no chance of expats being sent home.

I understood May had already guaranteed everybody stays forever, including 62 year old Bulgarian big issue sellers.

i) it's not Spain's call, it's the eu's

ii) so May's Brexit means Brexit means fckall

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On 09/12/2016 at 11:20 AM, knock out johnny said:

i) it's not Spain's call, it's the eu's

Yep, another problem with the EU. It's not Spain's call who's in Spain. The pro-EU brigade really do seem to love "please come and look after us Mr Big Unaccountable Organisation."

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On 09/12/2016 at 10:35 AM, crashmonitor said:

I honestly can't see the Spanish wanting to send Brits home......

I understood May had already guaranteed everybody stays forever, including 62 year old Bulgarian big issue sellers.

 

There will be a bill granting all EU Citizens British Citizenship and Visa Versa no doubt.

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