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SNP has nowhere to go.

 

They could try to establish support in England. I think it would be both amusing for us and scary for labour if they started fielding an SNP candidate in every English constituency that bordered an SNP held seat.

Labour seeing English voters vote for the SNP rather than them would be great.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38459140

'He said Labour "accepts and respects" the referendum result, adding: "We won't be blocking our leaving the European Union, but we won't stand by.'

Six months its took him to say that. Dummy.

'"I've spent over 40 years in politics campaigning for a better way of doing things, standing up for people, taking on the establishment, and opposing decisions that would make us worse off.'

No hes not. Hes spent 40 years being a bell end, jumping from one trendy cause to another.

Jezza's problem is that the public sector wrokers are the establishment for most people.

'Mr Corbyn said the UK's political system was "letting down the people of this country", urging action on social care, homelessness, job security and education.'

His XMas talk on homelessness has ******.

Most people assume homelessness with dossers drinking.

If hed said social housing for families then he'd be on a winner. He didn't.

Will Labour survive Jezza?

Thatchers dead. Not out of office, dead. Thtas a big bogeywoman gone for a large percentage of people who've not voted Con.

If 20% of Labours tribal votes go to UKIP and another 10% to the Cons then they are dead.

 

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On 12/9/2016 at 8:50 AM, Noallegiance said:

Had to swear at the BBC news again this morning.

They made a sing and dance over the remoaners stronghold vote a free days ago, but not a mention of Brexit strength when UKIP slay Labour.

Let the game begin  http://www.westmonster.com/ukips-paul-nuttall-standing-in-stoke-by-election/

Anyone for a Labour U turn by the end of March ? IMO this is the acid test 

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16 hours ago, long time lurking said:

Let the game begin  http://www.westmonster.com/ukips-paul-nuttall-standing-in-stoke-by-election/

Anyone for a Labour U turn by the end of March ? IMO this is the acid test 

The radio news is quoting 'Senior Labour MP worried that theyll lose the by elections'

Well, theres two outcomes there:

1) Labour lose.

2) Labour lose to UKIP.

1) is bad.

2) would point to the death of Labour.

How in fcksake can an opposition party be performing worse than the elected government. Yes, I know the answer is Corbyn.

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4 hours ago, spyguy said:

The radio news is quoting 'Senior Labour MP worried that theyll lose the by elections'

Well, theres two outcomes there:

1) Labour lose.

2) Labour lose to UKIP.

1) is bad.

2) would point to the death of Labour.

How in fcksake can an opposition party be performing worse than the elected government. Yes, I know the answer is Corbyn.

Considering the results of the last election it will be 2 before  1

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The news will send shockwaves across the Labour Party. In 2015 UKIP came a decent second,

 

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The only way UKIP are likely to win Stoke is if the Tories step aside (and they hate UKIP so much that I can't see that happening). in 2015 Lab got  ~12k votes and the Cons and UKIP got ~7k each.

Lab will probably win with about 35% of the vote (I assume all the lefties won't be demanding a re-run though). On the plus side such a result may keep Steptoe in charge of them till 2020.

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11 hours ago, newbonic said:

The only way UKIP are likely to win Stoke is if the Tories step aside (and they hate UKIP so much that I can't see that happening). in 2015 Lab got  ~12k votes and the Cons and UKIP got ~7k each.

Lab will probably win with about 35% of the vote (I assume all the lefties won't be demanding a re-run though). On the plus side such a result may keep Steptoe in charge of them till 2020.

Not sure.

Northern Labour support has collapsed.

Paul Nuttall speeches will find a welcomeaudience.

Working classes hate Corbyn. All UKIP have to do would be to put up posters of Corbyn stood next to Gerry Adams in the 80s.

 

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12 hours ago, spyguy said:

Not sure.

Northern Labour support has collapsed.

Paul Nuttall speeches will find a welcomeaudience.

Working classes hate Corbyn. All UKIP have to do would be to put up posters of Corbyn stood next to Gerry Adams in the 80s.

 

Same in Wales ,IMO it`s just a case of whether they have got over the UKIP are an extension of team blue perception (i think this is where Nuttall comes into play) if they have it`s game over for jeza &co 

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Interesting take on the Stoke election from Breitbart. According to them "a senior Conservative MP claimed his party would not be seriously contesting the seat, as they believe UKIP will win it.". All four of the Lab candidates on their short list have questioned or declared their opposition to Brexit - genius! All the stars are aligning UKIPs way so far.

Apparently the Tories are "focusing on the Copeland by-election in Cumbria happening on the same day" (which has been Lab for 80 years). The Tories got 14k votes in 2015 vs Labs 16k. UKIP got 6k and probably kept the tories out.

I wonder if the Tories and UKIP have an informal deal: The Tories ease off in Stoke, and UKIP eases off in Copeland?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/25/ukip-takes-massive-lead-stoke-trent-election-race/

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Don't think the Tories have to deal with them.  UKIP have no money, and money talks really.  They don't have a ground game either compared to the other parties, their powerbase was, ironically enough, the EU parliament thanks to PR, not local government like the others.

If I was the Tories I'd probably not want UKIP to win Stoke.  It's in the Tories best interest to keep Corbyn on as Leader of the Opposition, they should be easing off a bit as otherwise the Labour Party might wake up!

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Oh dear indeed 

 

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The Labour Party has selected for its candidate to stand in the Stoke-on-Trent by-election a man who has ridiculed Brexit as a “pile of sh*t” and described his party’s leader as an “IRA supporting friend of Hamas career politician

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/26/labours-stoke-candidate-says-brexit-pile-sht-corbyn-friend-hamas/

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23 hours ago, newbonic said:

Interesting take on the Stoke election from Breitbart. According to them "a senior Conservative MP claimed his party would not be seriously contesting the seat, as they believe UKIP will win it.". All four of the Lab candidates on their short list have questioned or declared their opposition to Brexit - genius! All the stars are aligning UKIPs way so far.

Apparently the Tories are "focusing on the Copeland by-election in Cumbria happening on the same day" (which has been Lab for 80 years). The Tories got 14k votes in 2015 vs Labs 16k. UKIP got 6k and probably kept the tories out.

I wonder if the Tories and UKIP have an informal deal: The Tories ease off in Stoke, and UKIP eases off in Copeland?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/25/ukip-takes-massive-lead-stoke-trent-election-race/

As you say, genius. Why oh why are liebour still banging the anti brexit drum.  It is almost as if they view annihilation of the Labour Party as the next step

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8 minutes ago, ChewingGrass said:

Labour are an ideological basket case trading on the past, more of a social club for trendy university educated socialists and other lost causes.

If liebour were really trading on the past, then they would be backing workers against the machine of capital.  It emerged from the trade unions and only later was  hijacked by the so called educated leftists (middle class to boot)

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On 1/25/2017 at 9:55 PM, EUBanana said:

Don't think the Tories have to deal with them.  UKIP have no money, and money talks really.  They don't have a ground game either compared to the other parties, their powerbase was, ironically enough, the EU parliament thanks to PR, not local government like the others.

If I was the Tories I'd probably not want UKIP to win Stoke.  It's in the Tories best interest to keep Corbyn on as Leader of the Opposition, they should be easing off a bit as otherwise the Labour Party might wake up!

I would. Much better that UKIP get recast as a pro-Brexit alternative for traditional Labour voters, than a serious alternative for natural small c conservatives.

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4 hours ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I would. Much better that UKIP get recast as a pro-Brexit alternative for traditional Labour voters, than a serious alternative for natural small c conservatives.

That is a good point.  I can't imagine UKIP splitting the left vote, but I suppose it's possible.

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