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The election has brought out something dark within us

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I am sorry to create a new topic (sorry for breathing, sorry for being born, please don't flame!). :)

Are people online too much?

I was waiting in the surgery for my wife to see the nurse yesterday, and I was sitting in the chairs in the waiting area. There was about 10 other people, and everyone was on their phone. These weren't just young adults but of all ages. I kept my phone in my pocket, and wanted to "break free".

What this election has brought out was the extremes, SJW, and Neonazis. Women who hate men, Men who hate women. Most people, I believe aren't at these extremes, and they don't represent most people. However, people I believe are in danger of group think by being online too much and going to forums and internet groups that shout down alternative thought. I didn't know about it, until it has all come to the surface recently. Gordon Brown might call it the birth pangs of the new world order - well he was right in a sense.

The danger of being online too much, is that we might develop a twisted and warped view of the world. We are filled with hated, and anger, and when we see real people, we could lash out.. as we have seen.

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Try to talk to people that you know, in real life, rather than online.

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Crikey.

I used to worry when I went round somebody's and the telly was on but nobody really watching it, all on their tablets.

Then I think back to the sheer horror of watching light entertainment like "Seaside Special" and think if I had a tablet then I'd have been on it.

Mobile phones, computers, TV, cinema (but not radio) are all things I would rather hadn't been invented; but they have been.

And yes I am on a mobile phone; though I was about the last younger person I know that bought one.

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26 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Crikey.

I used to worry when I went round somebody's and the telly was on but nobody really watching it, all on their tablets.

Then I think back to the sheer horror of watching light entertainment like "Seaside Special" and think if I had a tablet then I'd have been on it.

Mobile phones, computers, TV, cinema (but not radio) are all things I would rather hadn't been invented; but they have been.

And yes I am on a mobile phone; though I was about the last younger person I know that bought one.

Seaside specials caused a large increase in homosexuality. Fact!

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Let me make sure Ive got this right - Trump made us all become addicted to mobile phones?

Yes .....

Mobiles offer the chance of endless, pointless chitchat.

Its like a digitised version of a haggle of women nattering about cr.p all the time.

Mobiles and  tablets are just the easy default. Some people get stuck there. A combination of easy porn and tittle tattle.

Trump, Brown? Nah.

If you are worried then sleep in boxing gloves.

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1 hour ago, Frank Hovis said:

Crikey.

I used to worry when I went round somebody's and the telly was on but nobody really watching it, all on their tablets.

Then I think back to the sheer horror of watching light entertainment like "Seaside Special" and think if I had a tablet then I'd have been on it.

Mobile phones, computers, TV, cinema (but not radio) are all things I would rather hadn't been invented; but they have been.

And yes I am on a mobile phone; though I was about the last younger person I know that bought one.

 

 

Just wait till they invent that cell freezer/defroster device.

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3 hours ago, 200p said:

There was about 10 other people, and everyone was on their phone. These weren't just young adults but of all ages. I kept my phone in my pocket, and wanted to "break free".

Try to talk to people that you know, in real life, rather than online.

 

I spent 8 days of the last fortnight going into Manchester on the tram. Not by choice. I used my phone on one journey to connect to the wifi and have a look at the news on the way home. I suddenly looked up and realised I'd fallen into the phone trap. Put phone back into a pocket and didn't look at it on the tram again. 

Nearly every single person on the tram was glued to their phone. Apart from a baby; some little kids, their parent; and a couple of old people. Even the two giggling girls were on their phones as they chatted a little to each other showing their phones to each other.

OK, some were reading books, but most were browsing the interweb. 

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16 minutes ago, SarahBell said:

...Apart from a baby; some little kids, their parent....

That's refreshing - on the local woodland walks around my way you'll often seen a single parent and child with the mother walking glued to the phone whilst the child rummages about. Very very sad. 

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Just now, Bronson said:

That's refreshing - on the local woodland walks around my way you'll often seen a single parent and child with the mother walking glued to the phone whilst the child rummages about. Very very sad. 

I will add it was a bloke with the kids. 

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I'm currently hiking up a mountain in the Andes to catch the sunrise with a group of my nearest and dearest, there's no mobile reception but it doesn't matter because none of us have brought any electronic devices with us. I deleted all my social media accounts 2 years ago and haven't been online for over a year. I only eat organic food that I grow myself and if I want to talk to somebody I walk round to their house. I built my own house out of bricks I fired myself using dried pellets of my own dung as fuel, we drink captured rainwater and our electricity comes from photovoltaic cells on the roof.

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9 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

I'm currently hiking up a mountain in the Andes to catch the sunrise with a group of my nearest and dearest, there's no mobile reception but it doesn't matter because none of us have brought any electronic devices with us. I deleted all my social media accounts 2 years ago and haven't been online for over a year. I only eat organic food that I grow myself and if I want to talk to somebody I walk round to their house. I built my own house out of bricks I fired myself using dried pellets of my own dung as fuel, we drink captured rainwater and our electricity comes from photovoltaic cells on the roof.

The power of hpc off topic.  No internet required. Is it the hive mind? :mellow:

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37 minutes ago, One-percent said:

The power of hpc off topic.  No internet required. Is it the hive mind? :mellow:

The power of middle class smugness...

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4 hours ago, 200p said:

What this election has brought out was the extremes, SJW, and Neonazis. Women who hate men, Men who hate women. Most people, I believe aren't at these extremes, and they don't represent most people. However, people I believe are in danger of group think by being online too much and going to forums and internet groups that shout down alternative thought. I didn't know about it, until it has all come to the surface recently.

Another angle you may wish to consider is that humans don't generally like to be wrong, so they typically seek out others who will confirm their views. Online forums become echo chambers because people self select and frequent forums whose views already align with their own, rather than visiting forums, learning and changing their minds. I'm sure it has happened throughout time, but the internet has made it easier. 

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12 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Another angle you may wish to consider is that humans don't generally like to be wrong, so they typically seek out others who will confirm their views. Online forums become echo chambers because people self select and frequent forums whose views already align with their own, rather than visiting forums, learning and changing their minds. I'm sure it has happened throughout time, but the internet has made it easier. 

Indeed. You should go everywhere and find opinions you really don't like.

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1 hour ago, Dorkins said:

I'm currently hiking up a mountain in the Andes to catch the sunrise with a group of my nearest and dearest, there's no mobile reception but it doesn't matter because none of us have brought any electronic devices with us.


So what are you typing that in on?

 

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5 hours ago, 200p said:

What this election has brought out was the extremes, SJW, and Neonazis. Women who hate men, Men who hate women. Most people, I believe aren't at these extremes, and they don't represent most people. However, people I believe are in danger of group think by being online too much and going to forums and internet groups that shout down alternative thought. I didn't know about it, until it has all come to the surface recently. Gordon Brown might call it the birth pangs of the new world order - well he was right in a sense.

I'm not sure that I agree that the US election has brought out extremes (same thing for Brexit). Maybe on the timescale of the last decade or so, then yes, certainly.

But if you go back to - for example - the 80s: I was living in France when the Left came to power in 81. Boy that was a shock: nationalisation of major industries, flight of money abroad that led to the introduction of currency control (you could only take pennies abroad on your holiday).

At roughly the same time Thatcher got in a major ding-dong with the unions, the scars of which are still raw today.

In comparison, Trump and Brexit are storms in a teacup; the predicted impact of these is relatively minor compared to what Thatcher and Mitterrand did.

But - going back to my first sentence - the last decade had become very boring and consensual: politics was just about repeating the same policies over and over. For an example, see the bank bailouts in 2008 where all the major parties agreed on the same solution! Trump and Brexit are possibly just a return to politics as normal: strong disagreements and vehement discussions.

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Thanks for your insight Mr Lurker, for I only go to France for cheap wine.

I don't want to see people agree on anything, otherwise there is no choice.

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2 hours ago, SarahBell said:

 

I spent 8 days of the last fortnight going into Manchester on the tram. Not by choice. I used my phone on one journey to connect to the wifi and have a look at the news on the way home. I suddenly looked up and realised I'd fallen into the phone trap. Put phone back into a pocket and didn't look at it on the tram again. 

Nearly every single person on the tram was glued to their phone. Apart from a baby; some little kids, their parent; and a couple of old people. Even the two giggling girls were on their phones as they chatted a little to each other showing their phones to each other.

OK, some were reading books, but most were browsing the interweb. 

I mainly read my Kindle.

Much easier to lug about than a paper book - much lighter.

And I have  virtual library of boring technical tomes to dip in and out of.

Its black and white, well, grey scaled, if that makes it any better.

 

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I would say that extremes are only taking place when the European people are filling the cattle trucks full of islamists or the islamists are filling the cattle trucks full of Europeans.

As an aside, just how much poop is involved in having enough dung bricks to built your own house? That's a lot of eating going on there also.

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2 hours ago, spyguy said:

I mainly read my Kindle.

Much easier to lug about than a paper book - much lighter.

And I have  virtual library of boring technical tomes to dip in and out of.

Its black and white, well, grey scaled, if that makes it any better.

 

I like my kindle too. The added bonus is no one can judge you on the carp you read. 

Cant stand it for work type material as I can't use sticky notes or write in the margins   But for carp it's great 

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