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Royal Navy runs out of missiles

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Have to use guns instead and make angry faces.

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Royal Navy warships will be left without anti-ship missiles and be forced to rely on naval guns because of cost-cutting, the Ministry of Defence has admitted.

The Navy’s Harpoon missiles will retire from the fleet’s frigates and destroyers in 2018 without a replacement, while there will also be a two year gap without helicopter-launched anti-shipping missiles.

Naval sources said the decision was “like Nelson deciding to get rid of his cannons and go back to muskets” and one senior former officer said warships would "no longer be able to go toe-to-toe with the Chinese or Russians". 

Harpoon missiles are unlikely to be replaced for up to a decade, naval sources said, leaving warships armed only with their 4.5in Mk 8 guns for anti-ship warfare. Helicopter-launched Sea Skua missiles are also going out of service next year and the replacement Sea Venom missile to be carried by Wildcat helicopters will not arrive until late 2020.

One Naval source said: “We will be losing our missile capability in total for two years. We will still have the gun, but the range of that is about 17 miles, compared to Harpoon, which is about 80 miles”.

The source said the new helicopter-launched Sea Venom missile will have a shorter range than the Harpoon and helicopters are also vulnerable to bad weather and being shot down.

“The moment you put it up against a frigate or a destroyer, you will be inside their weapons range,” the source added.

Rear-Adml Chris Parry, said: "It's a significant capability gap and the Government is being irresponsible. It just shows that our warships are for the shop window and not for fighting."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/royal-navy-to-lose-anti-ship-missiles-and-be-left-only-with-guns/


 

 

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Telescopes and parrots, and hula girls on tropical islands!:o

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Back in 1982 at the start of the Falklands they didn't have enough missiles in MoD stocks so were raiding BAE Dynamics stockpile. If this is true then the Royal Navy doesn't have any real capability!

The UK's defences are becoming like that of New Zealand 

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Just what is wrong the with navy? They seem to have been hell bent on not being able to sink a ship for around a decade now, this whole "fitted for but not with" is getting beyond a joke. Add to that plane-less carriers and I wonder why we even bother funding a navy, or maybe that is the goal.

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24 minutes ago, MrPin said:

Telescopes and parrots, and hula girls on tropical islands!:o

Don't forget the peg-leg!

Seriously, this is beyond ridiculous. We are a third world country living by a first world life. ???

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Well according to traditional sources, when Putin's ships start sailing down the English Channel and then up the Thames, we might need them then....

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The RN's focus for surface ships is mainly anti-missile defence and anti-submarine defence as part of some combined US-led NATO operation.

We talked about this a few weeks ago - Western navies have mainly focussed on anti-missile defence systems whilst the Russians, and now Chinese, have been focusing on anti-ship and anti-missile missile technology.

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1 minute ago, 200p said:

Well according to traditional sources, when Putin's ships start sailing down the English Channel and then up the Thames, we might need them then....

 

I hear that it is estimated that at least 4 NATO submarines were trailing that convoy. Some say 5. It was certainly more than 1.

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Everything is micro managed to death with man marking on most government related projects at the expense of anybody that actually has a useful job. On a typical design and procure job the ratio can be as high a 5 before anything gets out of the office door.

4.5" shells are therefore the cheap visible NWO option.

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20 minutes ago, Bossybabe said:

Don't forget the peg-leg!

Seriously, this is beyond ridiculous. We are a third world country living by a first world life. ???

Welcome aboard the bridge, No 1. HMS Pin is off for a boat ride! Armed with custard pies.

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1 hour ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

I hear that it is estimated that at least 4 NATO submarines were trailing that convoy. Some say 5. It was certainly more than 1.

Yes, and as the skipper looked at them through the periscope, he was able to shout "bang!".

Let's do away with classifications like 'destroyer' etc, and call them what they are, fishery protection vessels.

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7 minutes ago, John The Pessimist said:

Yes, and as the skipper looked at them through the periscope, he was able to shout "bang!".

Let's do away with classifications like 'destroyer' etc, and call them what they are, fishery protection vessels.

 

If we do ever BREXIT the media will be full of stories that the RN cannot even stop trawlers fishing in UK waters.

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Just now, The Masked Tulip said:

 

If we do ever BREXIT the media will be full of stories that the RN cannot even stop trawlers fishing in UK waters.

Not to worry, we don't have a fishing fleet to protect anymore after Giving our fishing quotas in our own waters away to corporate fishing companies, mainly the Spanish. 

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4 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Not to worry, we don't have a fishing fleet to protect anymore after Giving our fishing quotas in our own waters away to corporate fishing companies, mainly the Spanish. 

 

What about the stew ponds?

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At least we are not paying for a huge, beaurocratic MOD Procurement Executive tasked with anticipating and planning our strategic requirements for years ahead, and commissioning the development and production of weaponry to protect us.

Oh, wait.....

 

Shhh., don't tell Errol.

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3 minutes ago, happy_renting said:

At least we are not paying for a huge, beaurocratic MOD Procurement Executive tasked with anticipating and planning our strategic requirements for years ahead, and commissioning the development and production of weaponry to protect us.

Oh, wait.....

 

Shhh., don't tell Errol.

 

I keep saying it. MOD is a jobs for the Hooray Henries with lucrative salaries, pensions and perks. One of the reasons that so many army officers try to make Colonel is that the MOD is full of ex-Colonels... and not so ex-Colonels.

When you consider how much money they spend and what they have to spend it on it is frightening just how often they get things terribly wrong.

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11 hours ago, MrPin said:

Welcome aboard the bridge, No 1. HMS Pin is off for a boat ride! Armed with custard pies.

That's the most aggressive thing the RN could do these days. :mellow:

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12 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

 

I hear that it is estimated that at least 4 NATO submarines were trailing that convoy. Some say 5. It was certainly more than 1.

There were an estimated 5-6 Russian submarines in the carrier group as well - probably 2-3 of those sub hunter-killers.

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22 minutes ago, Errol said:

There were an estimated 5-6 Russian submarines in the carrier group as well - probably 2-3 of those sub hunter-killers.

 

Yep. Far more congested beneath the water.

 

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