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1 hour ago, thecrashingisles said:

Nope.  The EU will roll out the red carpet.  Brexit = end of the UK.

Let's be realistic - it's not going to happen.  The UK government do not accept a 2nd Scottish referendum.  Also, Scotland lost the last referendum at a time when oil prices were peaking.  Now it's a different situation. I just don't see all the hoops being jumped through to get to a point where Scotland are an independent nation within the EU. 

 

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11 minutes ago, MarkG said:

As I understand it, the Spanish government have said they'd veto Scotland joining the EU anyway.

That's wrong.  They haven't said anything and as much as they don't want to encourage separatism, the circumstances of Brexit are unique.

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8 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

That's wrong.  They haven't said anything and as much as they don't want to encourage separatism, the circumstances of Brexit are unique.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/684593/Brexit-Nicola-Sturgeon-keep-Scotland-in-EU-France-Spain

Am I reading that wrong? Are you saying Spain would let in an independent Scotland (separated from the UK)? No issue with Catalonia?

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7 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/684593/Brexit-Nicola-Sturgeon-keep-Scotland-in-EU-France-Spain

Am I reading that wrong? Are you saying Spain would let in an independent Scotland (separated from the UK)? No issue with Catalonia?

I presume he's suffering from Sturgeonism: "Sure, it makes no sense for them to do it, but they will... because Scotland!"

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18 minutes ago, canbuywontbuy said:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/684593/Brexit-Nicola-Sturgeon-keep-Scotland-in-EU-France-Spain

Am I reading that wrong? Are you saying Spain would let in an independent Scotland (separated from the UK)? No issue with Catalonia?

Yes you're reading it wrong.  They obviously can't be seen to be negotiating with a part of the UK while the UK is still a sovereign entity so their public position can't be anything other than this, but the EU is open to all European countries that meet the accession criteria.  It would be a greater betrayal of the principles of the EU to turn Scotland away than to welcome it as a member.

The UK's days are numbered thanks to Brexit.

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Like I said, Sturgeonism.

An independent Scotland would be a welfare case looking for handouts, and a renegade state that would encourage other provinces to try to secede from their own countries.

But they'll let it in anyway, because... SCOTLAND!

I do agree, thought, that the UK's days are numbered. But they were numbered anyway. And England will do much better without Scotland dragging it down. The English just need to ensure they rebuild Hadrian's Wall first, to keep the starving Scots out.

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4 minutes ago, MarkG said:

Like I said, Sturgeonism.

An independent Scotland would be a welfare case looking for handouts, and a renegade state that would encourage other provinces to try to secede from their own countries.

But they'll let it in anyway, because... SCOTLAND!

I do agree, thought, that the UK's days are numbered. But they were numbered anyway. And England will do much better without Scotland dragging it down. The English just need to ensure they rebuild Hadrian's Wall first, to keep the starving Scots out.

Steady, one of Sturgeon's main aims is to encourage English people to think that the SNP is Scotland to encourage anti-Scots rhetoric like "rebuild Hadrian's wall". This just plays into her hands.

Remember that Scotland had an independence referendum and rejected it. Most Scots want to stay in the UK; Sturgeon is just speaking for the terminal alcoholics and druggies of the Glasgow slums who think that independence = more free Special Brew.

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2 hours ago, TheBlueCat said:

I wish they'd just eff off and leave already! Except for ccc, he can stay.

Cheers !! 

 

But as Frank says - don't fall for the SNP nonsense. The majority in Scotland can't stand it as much as you can't.

She's an abomination of a human being.

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57 minutes ago, Frank Hovis said:

Steady, one of Sturgeon's main aims is to encourage English people to think that the SNP is Scotland to encourage anti-Scots rhetoric like "rebuild Hadrian's wall". This just plays into her hands.

Nope.

The reason the English want to get rid of Scotland is not because they think the SNP is Scotland, but because the Scots prove they're not English every time there's a vote. They've consistently voted for left-wing parties while England usually votes right, and they voted massively in favour of the EU when England voted against.

England will be much better off without them. Because they're not English.

(Not to mention that Scotland only joined the UK because the Scots had bankrupt themselves and they wanted a bailout)

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46 minutes ago, MarkG said:

Nope.

The reason the English want to get rid of Scotland is not because they think the SNP is Scotland, but because the Scots prove they're not English every time there's a vote. They've consistently voted for left-wing parties while England usually votes right, and they voted massively in favour of the EU when England voted against.

England will be much better off without them. Because they're not English.

(Not to mention that Scotland only joined the UK because the Scots had bankrupt themselves and they wanted a bailout)

Very strange post.

The Scottish aren't English and regularly show this ? Is this a shock to you ! And what's the problem with it ?

 

Individually we are different - together we are British. Why is that a problem ?

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13 minutes ago, ccc said:

Individually we are different - together we are British. Why is that a problem ?

Individually we are different - together we are European.

Do you think that as a Scot you have more in common with the English than the Irish?

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3 hours ago, thecrashingisles said:

That's wrong.  They haven't said anything and as much as they don't want to encourage separatism, the circumstances of Brexit are unique.

Afraid not.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36656980

Spain doesn't want to see the Scotland scenario as a blueprint for Catalonia.

They simply will not allow it. Not to mention the vote to accept has to be unanimous and we don't know the position of some of the other states.

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Given the shambles politics and economic markets have been since the Brexit vote would the Scottish people want to be getting themselves in to a similar mess. That's  a genuine question, how many peopld would now be thinking twice about independence given the reality of what actually happens after, while it might be followed by a couple of days painting your face blue and shouting "FREEDOM" the actual process soon kicks in which we have seen is less that desirable. 

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15 minutes ago, geezer466 said:

Afraid not.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36656980

Spain doesn't want to see the Scotland scenario as a blueprint for Catalonia.

They simply will not allow it. Not to mention the vote to accept has to be unanimous and we don't know the position of some of the other states.

The story you linked is irrelevant.  Remember that the EU's official position is no talks whatsoever until Article 50.  They can hardly start negotiating with Scotland over the head of Theresa May.

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2 hours ago, ccc said:

Cheers !! 

 

But as Frank says - don't fall for the SNP nonsense. The majority in Scotland can't stand it as much as you can't.

She's an abomination of a human being.

Very much agreed.

Despite her posturing over this protect our interests and consultation nonsense Westminster simply will not allow another referendum at this stage.

That leaves her UDI which would be madness. A breakaway without a negotiated settlement would bankrupt the fledgling state in short order.

Not to mention the fact the EU will not negotiate (To allow entry with a rogue state (UDI).

This needs to be seen for what it is. Another attempt to thwart BREXIT same as Milliband, Clegg and all the other mouth breathers who are trying to skirt round democracy.....

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Scotlands public sector deficit is £14.9 billion, 9.5% of GDP. They get free stuff thanks to English taxpayers money. As an independent country they would have to accept being much poorer. Sturgeon must know this. Either she is gambling that a new referendum would produce the same result as the last one or she is a bit of a nutcase and just gets off on hearing the crowd roar and damn the consequences. 

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