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Lily Allen apologises to migrants in Calais Jungle

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Apparently she's worth $20 million. Why not donate say $15 million of that to the refugees you care so much about, you attention seeking tw@t?

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It's times like these I'm glad I'm not on facebook. All the gushing about how brave and sincere she is.

Makes me want to boke.

As Joe says; donate just 1% of her fortune, or house one of these poor defenseless refugees and I'll agree on her sincerity. Has she got an album out soon or something?

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I've been called some names on Twitter today by the SJW fraternity for voicing an opinion about this. They always have to assign a pejorative adjective or call you something.

Yet reading Lily Allen's timeline any criticism is 'hateful'. There is no hope for us.

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5 hours ago, humdrum said:

'I'm sorry for what we've put you through': Lily Allen apologises 'on behalf of my country' after breaking down in tears during a visit to the Jungle in Calais 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3834170/I-m-sorry-ve-Lily-Allen-apologises-behalf-country-breaking-tears-visit-Jungle-Calais.html

Another naive lefty-snowflake. We haven't put them through anything. They reached a country of "safety" long before they made the journey to Calais. The reason they made the journey to Calais is to get to Britain for money. Economic migrants. I can't believe there are people that still don't get this. Ok I can. 

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5 minutes ago, Starla said:

Another naive lefty-snowflake. We haven't put them through anything. They reached a country of "safety" long before they made the journey to Calais. The reason they made the journey to Calais is to get to Britain for money. Economic migrants. I can't believe there are people that still don't get this. Ok I can. 

Of course you can. It fits their particular narrative of everyone deserves what we have and it's not their fault as to where they were born. Shame she and they don't have the same empathy for their fellow countrymen who are also much more disadvantaged than she. Perhaps we need to examine her tax arrangements to establish how much she 'cares' and is willing to contribute 

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5 minutes ago, One-percent said:

Of course you can. It fits their particular narrative of everyone deserves what we have and it's not their fault as to where they were born. Shame she and they don't have the same empathy for their fellow countrymen who are also much more disadvantaged than she. Perhaps we need to examine her tax arrangements to establish how much she 'cares' and is willing to contribute 

Yep, the problem with virtue signalling is it involves no effort, and you can just show the world what a wonderful person you think you are and hope they believe you too. I hope you're not implying Lily should actually DO something? That sounds like a lot more effort than a shit-tweet or statement. Although I'm more than happy to sponsor her a visit to the jungle Jude Law stylee. There's a reason it's dangerous in the Jungle, and it's got a lot to do with the people in there. Anyone supporting their arrival in the UK must really hate the British people and their safety. What a strange paradox for Ms Allen.

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5 hours ago, humdrum said:

'I'm sorry for what we've put you through': Lily Allen apologises 'on behalf of my country' after breaking down in tears during a visit to the Jungle in Calais 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3834170/I-m-sorry-ve-Lily-Allen-apologises-behalf-country-breaking-tears-visit-Jungle-Calais.html

Huh? The DM link goes back to the HPC topic page. Anyone else getting this?

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12 minutes ago, Captain Cavey said:

Huh? The DM link goes back to the HPC topic page. Anyone else getting this?

Yep, for me too.  Probably for the best.  Do you really want to read the daily fail? :lol:

 

is this what is known as a circular argument?

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1 hour ago, The XYY Man said:

 

I have no idea who Lily Allen is.

Any relation to Dave Allen...?

 

 

XYY

Daughter.  If you listen to her music she has picked up some of his sense of humour.

 

I think there is a complex moral argument here.  

I'd accept that perhaps it is nice to be generous to those whose country has been ravaged by a proxy war.

But these people in Calais do have the opportunity to seek asylum in France.  Why doesn't she campaign for France to deal with their asylum.  Oh, that's right, because they don't want to have asylum in France...  

There is a continuum.  On one end is complete isolation, no immigration accepted.  On the other is complete openness, UK boats and planes travelling around the planet, picking up anyone who wants to come and bringing them into the UK to share our way of life.  Everything else is on that continuum.  You can't just say 'oh, those people in Calais, they should come here.'  Why not people in Dakar, or Acapulco, or Islamabad?  Why is it that only people who've paid up to traffickers  to get to Calais should be eligible?  Perhaps it makes more sense to bring in the people directly from the Greek islands?  

I might even agree with Mz Allen, if they had the right ways to ensure the right behaviours.  

For example, I think that everyone who comes in claiming asylum should be mandated to volunteer their spare time to educating their children the language of their country, their culture.  That all asylum people of working age be mandated to learn skills that would be useful in rebuilding their country (as well as the skills that they had in that country -- okay for a medic, but perhaps get a market trader to also learn how to build, etc).  That when their place of origin becomes safe again that they be mandated to take a plane back there and work to rebuild their country.  I don't mind them wanting to go to a new country to build a new life, but that is migration, not asylum, and should be claimed separately (and maybe not granted).  This isn't about keeping them out, but the other side of migration -- that whole countries lose too much of their population, lose specialist skills (eg, if everyone with get-up-and-go gets up and goes, then what are you left with?  The ones who have no get-up-and-go*...), and it takes 10x as long to rebuild the country.  If they never get a safe country back, never get to return, that is fine -- but at least they'll have tried.

* I know you also have the disabled, the elderly, the children... but in general it applies.

This policy we have -- where if you can risk your life and spend all your money to get here, just one foot on our soil, then you too can benefit our amazing country welfare state, but if you can't manage that then tough -- is probably the worst probably solution, and pandering to it will just make things worse (in terms of encouraging those dangerous behaviours).

Oh, and I'd like a proper evidence based conversation about immigration and acceptance.  I think there is a level of immigration that is 'acceptable' to the fundamental human psychology and that levels beyond this lead to problems -- this isn't a case of 'well, they've got to put up with it', but fundamental human characteristics that are difficult to modify.  We've had high levels of migration for years, had it mandated upon us by EU rules, without any real 'benefit' and have got our population to the end of their acceptance levels.  And now that we (apparently) are in a situation where migration of those from Syria is a humanitarian need, our greater population has run out of migration acceptance and we're unwilling to put up with more.  If we'd had a sensible research-based understanding of the safe levels of migration 10 years ago then maybe we'd be in a position to take Syrians without so much trouble now.

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What? :o

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Personal life[edit]
In 1964, Allen married actress Judith Stott, whom he had met in Australia. The marriage ended in divorce in 1983. Their son, Edward James Tynan O'Mahony (professionally Ed Allen), is also a comedian.
Allen's hobbies included painting, which he became increasingly enthusiastic about in his later years. His first exhibition, Private Views, was held in Edinburgh in 2001.[citation needed]
He died peacefully in his sleep at his home in Kensington, London, in 2005 at the age of 68. He was survived by Karin Tynan O'Mahony (née Stark), his wife of eighteen months but who had been his partner since 1986,[7] and his three children from his first marriage: his children Edward and Jane, and his stepson Jonathan,[22] a son of his first wife. Three weeks after Allen's death, Karin gave birth to their son, Cullum.

Source :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Allen_(comedian)#Personal_life

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Asylum was ok when a couple of gentlemen would rock up in highgate, escaping a political regime a la Marx, lenin. And being put up in their friends spare room.

It does not work when you get 100,000 economic migrants or all the losing side turn up. And sign in the dole.

Maybe asylum claims should be forced to be claimd in a 200 mile radius, with support from the UN.

You cannot justify the tears for  Calais. Its france for fcksake, we go on holiday there. its not fcking ghan.

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5 minutes ago, spyguy said:

Asylum wss trenfimg when a couple of gentlemen would rock up in highgate, escaping a political regime a la Marx, lenin. And being put up in their friends spare room.

It does not work when you get 100,000 economic migrants or all the losing side turn up. And sign in the dole.

Maybe asylum claims shoukd be forced to be claimdd in a 200 mile rsdius, with support from the UN.

You cannot justify the tears st Calais. Its france for fcksake, we go in holuday there. its not fcking ghan.

I couldn't have put it better. :P

Why aren't the lefty morons berating the economic migrants for taking up the spaces the real refugees need? If we didn't have 300,000 of them coming in every year then maybe, just maybe people would be more accommodating to the actual people in need. 

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1 minute ago, XswampyX said:

I couldn't have put it better. :P

Why aren't the lefty morons berating the economic migrants for taking up the spaces the real refugees need? If we didn't have 300,000 of them coming in every year then maybe, just maybe people would be more accommodating to the actual people in need. 

Spelling nazi. FB messenger app is fcking over my tablet.

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The misuse of the word refugee, which ghe bbc have recently changed to 'migrant', the selective filming - crippled kids when the bulk were fit blokes ,16-40, erc, has really backfired on the left and media.

Letting in 100k of 3rd world scum has probably destroyed the current concept of asylum.

Ive sympathy for syrians. a mates syrian. he was going nuts about the pakistanis, africans,north africans cksiming to ve syrian - Why the fck dont they quickly interview these people! you can trll by thrir accent - assuming they speak arabic.

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19 minutes ago, ThePiltdownMan said:

The youtube comments say it all

It's always the same.... Media this is how it is..... Comments are f**k off you lying lefty scumbags! They then poke holes through the propaganda and make it laughable.

Aren't people great. ;) Why are the left so insipid? 

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