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Archaeology/evidence of lost history of advanced civilisations

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Just listened to a podcast & I've not really considered this much before apart from listening to some Graham Hancock... (it's a long one, but worth the time imho)

If you don't have time to listen to the whole thing, it's basically a discussion about how fairly recent archaelogical discoveries (Gobekli Tepe or the Sphinx Water Erosion hypothesis)  appear to destroy, with quite compelling evidence massive amounts of  our 'knowledge' about  how advanced (and how 'ancient') ancient civilisations were in terms of their understanding of cosmology & ability to construct massive buildings 10,000 years before the pyramids were built etc etc.....

The implications of which  are immense for many reasons, for example Egyptologists/academics are wrong about much of what they beleive to be true and are currently teaching about civilsations and when they were formed. Also, the implications on organised religion are vast too. You can understand the levels of opposition from the vested interests....

Before I enter this new (to me) rabbit hole of information, which I have a tendency to do  & which an initial googling has brought up a potentially life-wastingly amount of content...

...has anyone looked into this in any depth?

I appreciate I've just scratched the surface, but this has 'piqued' my interest and I'm not sure I have the time to devote to sifting through the inevitible nonsense which i'm sure will have jumped all over this and watch Eastenders 4 times a week :-0

Basically please tell me it's all ********, ignorance is bliss, or link me up with some decent content !

 

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Check out the Joe Rogan Experience episodes where he interviews Randall Carlson, they're both excellent. I think it's fair to say that there are enough oddities that simply shouldn't exist under the model of human history that is generally accepted.

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I think it's very interesting and worthy of study.

I do not think that there are any vanished civilisations of which we know nothing (using that in terms of something of the scale of Sumer, Egypt, Indus Valley) but that there were advanced smaller groups of people who were their prededecessors.  The Sphinx for one is to me certain evidence that this was a "ritual" site long before the Egyptian civilisation that we know.

Graham Hancock's work on identfiying precession and its 26,000 year cycle encoded within myths and archictecture is excellent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession

IMO it shows that there was a lot of knowledge of astronomy in particular held by a priest type caste for many thousands of years prior to the rise of agriculture and then civilisations.  Whether this fundamentally changes the narrative of archaeology or it only says that people have been knowledgeable for much longer is another matter.

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In the absence of Facebook, and iPhones, people looked at the sky more.;)

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I am generally sceotical about the existence of entire 'lost' advanced civilisations, but certainly in times of ancient Greece there were technologies that were astounding.

The Antikythera Mechanism is compelling proof of this.

 

PS mods, can you restore non-markup plain text editing as an option? Markup editing can be a pain at times.

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2 hours ago, happy_renting said:

I am generally sceotical about the existence of entire 'lost' advanced civilisations

I do sometimes wonder, if we had an enormous catastrophe and then the sea level rose 80 metres. After 11000 years, with primitive survivors repurposing available metal and dressed stone, what would be left to show we were here? 

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There was clearly far more trading and interaction going on - only last night I was reading about Greek outposts in what is now Southern Russia - but the concept of these advanced lost civilisations is just wishful thinking.

We live at a point in Human History where the technological advancement is unparalled but, at the same time, on large parts of the planet many people still live a primitive almost hunter-gatherer existence.

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42 minutes ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I do sometimes wonder, if we had an enormous catastrophe and then the sea level rose 80 metres. After 11000 years, with primitive survivors repurposing available metal and dressed stone, what would be left to show we were here? 

Sh!t loads of iPhones, still glued to,the ears of remains of human populations?  Would guess, seriously, having spent time watching timeteam that bits of electronics and engineering would survive. 

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Until 2010 we missed out an entire progenitor human species, Denisovans, that DNA tracking suggests were interbreeding with Homo Sapiens from Spain to Siberia 40,000 years ago. Our archeological evidence of the entire species is two teeth and part of a finger bone. Not much survives and not much of that gets found.

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So many of the great ancient structures have clear astronomical alignments and these civilisations were clearly highly knowledgeable stargazers, tracking celestial movements over hundreds if not thousands of years. What the significance of this is is difficult to ascertain. Was it only part of their mythologies, or was there scientific understanding too? I'm of the persuasion that the priestly castes were polymaths in possession of advanced knowledge in a variety of fields, including 'technologies' or processes that have since been lost. In another thread recently there was talk of evidence from an internationally leading materials scientist that proved that many of the stones used in these ancient structures (Great Pyramid etc) had been 'melted' or moulded into place. Likewise with technologies of consciousness, for want of a better phrase. Quite a bit of evidence to suggest that the King's Chamber with the stone 'sarcophagus' might actually have been used to induce altered states in neophytes, due to very peculiar structural resonances that are focused on that exact point by the surrounding stone structure (can;t recall where I read about this). As has been said above, there is a lot to suggest that there is a lot of lost knowledge. 

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16 hours ago, Frank Hovis said:

I think it's very interesting and worthy of study.

I do not think that there are any vanished civilisations of which we know nothing (using that in terms of something of the scale of Sumer, Egypt, Indus Valley) but that there were advanced smaller groups of people who were their prededecessors.  The Sphinx for one is to me certain evidence that this was a "ritual" site long before the Egyptian civilisation that we know.

Graham Hancock's work on identfiying precession and its 26,000 year cycle encoded within myths and archictecture is excellent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession

IMO it shows that there was a lot of knowledge of astronomy in particular held by a priest type caste for many thousands of years prior to the rise of agriculture and then civilisations.  Whether this fundamentally changes the narrative of archaeology or it only says that people have been knowledgeable for much longer is another matter.

Great thanks will read into that - The astronomy side of it all is particularly striking, when you consider they appear to have been tracking events which had a 70+ year (ie multi-generational) cycles. 

Unless of course they lived a lot longer than we do (but perhaps that's veering into a conspiracy hole :-)

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Cheers for the other replies too.

13 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

There was clearly far more trading and interaction going on - only last night I was reading about Greek outposts in what is now Southern Russia - but the concept of these advanced lost civilisations is just wishful thinking.

We live at a point in Human History where the technological advancement is unparalled but, at the same time, on large parts of the planet many people still live a primitive almost hunter-gatherer existence.

We are far more advanced in terms of technology say, derived from the discovery of electricity, but they were surely more advanced in terms of using 'something' fairly high tech to build those structures.

The largest pyramid is made of 2.5 million blocks weighing 2.5 to 15 tonnes each - that makes my head hurt even if they were built 'only' 4000 years ago.

If they really are much, much older as the water erosion theory suggests, then that is aneurysm territory.

The guy in the Joe Rogan vid does come across as  bitter at times, but who would blame him if he knows he's right but no-one will listen because, if true, it will sweep away massive amounts of false information, destroy careers which have been built on it and force a considerable volte-face in this area.

Will be great to see if he does have some irrefutible evidence he can hammer his opposition into the ground with.

 

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18 hours ago, Hail the Tripod said:

Check out the Joe Rogan Experience episodes where he interviews Randall Carlson, they're both excellent. I think it's fair to say that there are enough oddities that simply shouldn't exist under the model of human history that is generally accepted.

Is he the atseroid impact guy? Think i may have listened to that one

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5 minutes ago, Reck B said:

Cheers for the other replies too.

We are far more advanced in terms of technology say, derived from the discovery of electricity, but they were surely more advanced in terms of using 'something' fairly high tech to build those structures.

The largest pyramid is made of 2.5 million blocks weighing 2.5 to 15 tonnes each - that makes my head hurt even if they were built 'only' 4000 years ago.

If they really are much, much older as the water erosion theory suggests, then that is aneurysm territory.

The guy in the Joe Rogan vid does come across as  bitter at times, but who would blame him if he knows he's right but no-one will listen because, if true, it will sweep away massive amounts of false information, destroy careers which have been built on it and force a considerable volte-face in this area.

Will be great to see if he does have some irrefutible evidence he can hammer his opposition into the ground with.

 

 

Yes, there is no doubt that Human Beings, in the past, were far more sophisticated than we have often led to believe. I think it is interesting to work out how, where and why we began to look back on such people as being 'primitive'.

Was it a Victorian thing or did it happen earlier? Was it motivated by empire, religion, race or a bit of them all. Races which dominate others tend to want to erradicate the races or civilisations they have conquered by dismissing their achievements. Heck, the Americans do this to this very day through Hollywood and their re-writing of even ery recent history to have a pro-American agenda. Or the Chinese through mapping where they place China at the centre of world maps and enlarge it to make it seem bigger than it actually is.

Today is interesting. If a scientist or engineer dies unexpectedly we can lose great knowledge. What if Oppenheimer, Marie Curie, Alan Turing or Einstein had died years before they actually did? Or what if they had lived longer. But it has probably always been that way. Someone once invented the sewing needle - consider perhaps the greatest human invention - just as someone discovered different ways of making fires which led to someone discovering, or inventing, smelting. What if someone invented a smelting technique 10,000 years ago and then, when he died, that ability was lost for a 1,000 years until someone else came along and did the same thing.

I am waffling.

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15 hours ago, Hail the Tripod said:

I do sometimes wonder, if we had an enormous catastrophe and then the sea level rose 80 metres. After 11000 years, with primitive survivors repurposing available metal and dressed stone, what would be left to show we were here? 

Reworking metal on a large scale would be difficult, we've used most of the easy-accessible high energy sources (e.g. at or near surface coal), leaving only wood. It's hard to do lots of large scale metalwork using wood alone, it was putting pressure on the availability of trees some time before the Industrial Revolution.

 

The most obviosu signs, even if all easily-available dressed stone had been repurposed, would be large-scale earth-shaping. Huge quarries, which would mostly be preserved in hard rock and would be discernable as not natural without too much effort, and various earthworks like motorway embankments, some of which wouldn't survive but a lot would. Less obvious to a glance but still pretty clear when found would be digging up and old landfill site.

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10 hours ago, The Masked Tulip said:

Today is interesting. If a scientist or engineer dies unexpectedly we can lose great knowledge. What if Oppenheimer, Marie Curie, Alan Turing or Einstein had died years before they actually did? Or what if they had lived longer. But it has probably always been that way. Someone once invented the sewing needle - consider perhaps the greatest human invention - just as someone discovered different ways of making fires which led to someone discovering, or inventing, smelting. What if someone invented a smelting technique 10,000 years ago and then, when he died, that ability was lost for a 1,000 years until someone else came along and did the same thing.

Your post reminds me of a TV programme that I saw some years ago, where they explained that Leonardo da Vinci knew more about anatomy than anybody else alive at the time, and probably more than anybody that followed for hundreds of years. This had been worked out from some of his rediscovered note books, where he'd written a lot of his anatomical notes. Had his knowledge and method been disseminated and accepted at the time medicine may have advanced materially further than it has today. 

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2 hours ago, hotairmail said:

The discovery of fire is far more important than smelting.

It is said that it fundamentally allowed our brains to grow as we could allow our digestive system to wither...as cooking is a sort of external digestive process.

I didn't realise it's discovery was quite so old...a million years plus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_humans

 

 

 

 

 

I was just using smelting as an example.

I was going to start a thread on here some months ago about inventions versus discoveries. It is an interesting mental game when one is really bored.

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I watched Heaven's Mirror on channel four in the late 90s (Hancock, Buval, West et all) and have been fascinated ever since. Grahamhancock.com is/was a great web site covering ancient/lost civilisations (Buval wrote the Orion mystery, who as part of Heavens Mirror claims the three main pyramids correlate with the belt stars of Orion.

It also factors in Angor Wat, Easter Island etc. As already mentioned, this work has been hugely criticised and ridiculed.

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On 30 September 2016 at 8:20 AM, PopGun said:

I watched Heaven's Mirror on channel four in the late 90s (Hancock, Buval, West et all) and have been fascinated ever since. Grahamhancock.com is/was a great web site covering ancient/lost civilisations (Buval wrote the Orion mystery, who as part of Heavens Mirror claims the three main pyramids correlate with the belt stars of Orion.

It also factors in Angor Wat, Easter Island etc. As already mentioned, this work has been hugely criticised and ridiculed.

Cheers, will try and find that doc.

currently watching the Magical Egypt series (West) on YouTube. Really low budget (a cult hit when it came out, apparently)  but some good examples (eg stone pots, weathering of walls beneath the red pyramid) to question the academics.

West has been banging this drum for some time!

bit o/t but it's interesting how psychedelic use fits into all this, both interns of the usage by past civilisations and the marginalised experts trying to make their point.

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On 28/09/2016 at 5:00 PM, Frank Hovis said:

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IMO it shows that there was a lot of knowledge of astronomy in particular held by a priest type caste for many thousands of years prior to the rise of agriculture and then civilisations. 

still holds true to this day, and they wish to keep such knowledge from the peasants, so they fill your minds with celebrity come dancing and property porn....the really important stuff.

 

where do you think the catholic church got "cardinals" from?

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On 30/09/2016 at 8:20 AM, PopGun said:

I watched Heaven's Mirror on channel four in the late 90s (Hancock, Buval, West et all) and have been fascinated ever since. Grahamhancock.com is/was a great web site covering ancient/lost civilisations (Buval wrote the Orion mystery, who as part of Heavens Mirror claims the three main pyramids correlate with the belt stars of Orion.

 

Now the really interesting bit.

Did you spot the world trade centre +building 7 collapse were also related to orion?

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