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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pensioner-claims-to-have-found-hitler-s-hidden-nuclear-bombs-in-underground-tunnels-a7035246.html

What did they find there requiring the US to make it secret for 100 years. Mass graves for something which had to be denied? Nuclear bombs would seem a little far fetched along the alien technology.

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When these 40 / 50 / 100 year declassifications happen they are usually dull as ditchwater.

I think the only reason politciians impose them is to make themselves seem important.

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They were very close to obtaining nuclear weapons & may have even begun construction.

The Norsk Hydro heavy water plant at Telemark was well on the way to barreling up heavy water when the British launched Operation Grouse the fantastic raid immortalised in film.

The agents went on to sink a ferry that was transporting barrels of heavy water back to Germany.

J robert Openheimer and other scientists were whisked back to the USA and others to Russia and began work on thier own respective nuclear programmes culminating in the use of atomic weapons on Japan in 1945.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were modified V2 or more advanced rockets discovered in caves that were capable of carrying an atomic payload.

The only reason the US & Russia got nuclear weapons was becuase they took the scientists and tech from the remnants of Nazi Germany

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They were very close to obtaining nuclear weapons & may have even begun construction.

The Norsk Hydro heavy water plant at Telemark was well on the way to barreling up heavy water when the British launched Operation Grouse the fantastic raid immortalised in film.

The agents went on to sink a ferry that was transporting barrels of heavy water back to Germany.

J robert Openheimer and other scientists were whisked back to the USA and others to Russia and began work on thier own respective nuclear programmes culminating in the use of atomic weapons on Japan in 1945.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were modified V2 or more advanced rockets discovered in caves that were capable of carrying an atomic payload.

The only reason the US & Russia got nuclear weapons was becuase they took the scientists and tech from the remnants of Nazi Germany

Huh?...the War was still raging when they bombed Hiroshima....

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Huh?...the War was still raging when they bombed Hiroshima....

Germany defeated May 1945

World's First US atomic bomb test 16 july 1945

Hiroshima bombed August 1945

They took the scientists from Germany and others defected prior to the German defeat, these scientists brought the requisite knowledge to rapidly advance the US & Russian nuclear programmes inc rocket tech.

Edit: J robert Oppenheimer wasnt brought from germany to the US but he had studied particle physics there and:

However, from 1934 on, he became increasingly concerned about politics and international affairs. In 1934, he earmarked three percent of his salaryabout $100 a yearfor two years to support German physicists fleeing from Nazi Germany.

Basically the whole US atomic programme was only made possible by these physicists defecting from Nazi Germany with their knowledge, the Russian's had to wait a bit longer to actually capture some of them and whisk them back behind the iron curtain (although they may have taken in a few defectors prior to the end of the war)

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They were very close to obtaining nuclear weapons & may have even begun construction.

No, they were nowhere near to the atomic bomb. Any serious effort had stopped by '42 when Hitler was told there was no way Germany would develop the bomb before the end of the war.

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No, they were nowhere near to the atomic bomb. Any serious effort had stopped by '42 when Hitler was told there was no way Germany would develop the bomb before the end of the war.

They were in full flow towards nuclear capability with the Heavy Water from the Norsk Hydro plant in Telemark Norway which was not sucessfully knocked out until the Gunnerside raid by British SOE commandos in Feburary 1943.

The Nazis further tried to bring the stores of heavy water back to Germany via ferry from Norway but the ferry was sunk by Norwegian SOE agents.

Make no mistake the only reason the US / Russia even got sniff of nuclear weapons was because of German physicists.

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They were in full flow towards nuclear capability with the Heavy Water from the Norsk Hydro plant in Telemark Norway which was not sucessfully knocked out until the Gunnerside raid by British SOE commandos in Feburary 1943.

The Nazis further tried to bring the stores of heavy water back to Germany via ferry from Norway but the ferry was sunk by Norwegian SOE agents.

Make no mistake the only reason the US / Russia even got sniff of nuclear weapons was because of German physicists.

nonsense

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Manhattan Project:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

The project was also charged with gathering intelligence on the German nuclear weapon project. Through Operation Alsos, Manhattan Project personnel served in Europe, sometimes behind enemy lines, where they gathered nuclear materials and documents, and rounded up German scientists. Despite the Manhattan Project's tight security, Soviet atomic spies still penetrated the program.

Credit where credit is due, no matter if they were Nazi's.

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100% truth

Show me where was the German gas centrifuge facility for refining Uranium to produce the materials for a bomb. It didn't exist. Germany didn't have the resources for it. We're talking about a huge facility employing 10s of thousands of people. The Oak ridge facility was the size of the city of Frankfurt.

and:

John Wheeler, who worked on the Manhattan Project, talked about German efforts in his memoir.

As a result of experiments such as those carried out by White and Creutz, those of us thinking about reactor design concluded that carbon in the form of graphite would be a suitable moderator, if it could be secured in pure enough form. We knew that "heavy water" ... would be even better, but it would be costlier to make. ...

Fortunately for us, our German counterparts reached a different conclusion. They thought that neutron absorption in graphite made it an unsuitable moderator, and they therefore turned their attention to acquiring large quantities of heavy water.

...

The German misjudgment about graphite was one of the things that slowed their progress toward a bomb. At the end of the war in Europe, two and a half years after Fermi's pile went critical, the Germans did not yet have an operating reactor, much less any clear idea of how to build a bomb.

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Unfortunatley Germany spent too much on immodest uniforms! :blink:

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Ahem DavidG:

Unfortunately for the Soviets, the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institut für Physik (KWIP, Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Physics) had mostly been moved in 1943 and 1944 to Hechingen and its neighboring town of Haigerloch, on the edge of the Black Forest, which eventually became the French occupation zone. This move allowed the Americans to take into custody a large number of German scientists associated with nuclear research. The only section of the institute which remained in Berlin was the low-temperature physics section, headed by Ludwig Bewilogua, who was in charge of the exponential uranium pile.[70][71]

American Alsos teams carrying out Operation BIG raced through Baden-Wurttemburg near war's end in the spring of 1945, uncovering, collecting, and selectively destroying Uranverein elements, including capturing a prototype reactor at Haigerloch and records, heavy water, and uranium ingots at Tailfingen.[72] These were all shipped back to the United States for study and utilization in the U.S. atomic program.

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Show me where was the German gas centrifuge facility for refining Uranium to produce the materials for a bomb. It didn't exist. Germany didn't have the resources for it. We're talking about a huge facility employing 10s of thousands of people. The Oak ridge facility was the size of the city of Frankfurt

The German facility for what you describe above was at Oranienburg:

.Oranienburg Plant

With the interest of the Heereswaffenamt (HWA, Army Ordnance Office), Nikolaus Riehl, and his colleague Günter Wirths, set up an industrial-scale production of high-purity uranium oxide at the Auergesellschaft plant in Oranienburg. Adding to the capabilities in the final stages of metallic uranium production were the strengths of the Degussa corporation's capabilities in metals production.[75][76]

The Oranienburg plant provided the uranium sheets and cubes for the Uranmaschine experiments conducted at the KWIP and the Versuchsstelle (testing station) of the Heereswaffenamt (Army Ordnance Office) in Gottow. The G-1 experiment[77] performed at the HWA testing station, under the direction of Kurt Diebner, had lattices of 6,800 uranium oxide cubes (about 25 tons), in the nuclear moderator paraffin.[14

Work of the American Operation Alsos teams, in November 1944, uncovered leads which took them to a company in Paris that handled rare earths and had been taken over by the Auergesellschaft. This, combined with information gathered in the same month through an Alsos team in Strasbourg, confirmed that the Oranienburg plant was involved in the production of uranium and thorium metals. Since the plant was to be in the future Soviet zone of occupation and the Red Army's troops would get there before the Allies, General Leslie Groves, commander of the Manhattan Project, recommended to General George Marshall that the plant be destroyed by aerial bombardment, in order to deny its uranium production equipment to the Soviets. On 15 March 1945, 612 B-17 Flying Fortress bombers of the Eighth Air Force dropped 1,506 tons of high-explosive and 178 tons of incendiary bombs on the plant. Riehl visited the site with the Soviets and said that the facility was mostly destroyed. Riehl also recalled long after the war that the Soviets knew precisely why the Americans had bombed the facility the attack had been directed at them rather than the Germans.[79][80][81][82][83]

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Could be the central heating boilers or maybe air conditioning. Maybe they'll find the Hitler Diaries there or a stash of gold. That's assuming they're that old - after all there seem to be vast bunkers, tunnels and caverns being built secretly all over the world. Under Baghdad and in the Afghanistan mountains etc usually with extensive and secret underground railway networks.

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They were very close to obtaining nuclear weapons & may have even begun construction.

The Norsk Hydro heavy water plant at Telemark was well on the way to barreling up heavy water when the British launched Operation Grouse the fantastic raid immortalised in film.

The agents went on to sink a ferry that was transporting barrels of heavy water back to Germany.

J robert Openheimer and other scientists were whisked back to the USA and others to Russia and began work on thier own respective nuclear programmes culminating in the use of atomic weapons on Japan in 1945.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were modified V2 or more advanced rockets discovered in caves that were capable of carrying an atomic payload.

The only reason the US & Russia got nuclear weapons was becuase they took the scientists and tech from the remnants of Nazi Germany

Indeed. 1940s Germany, aside from the damage inflicted by the Allies was technically completely capable of successfully building atomic devices. I suspect a lot more happened on our side to prevent this than we will know about until 2045 - the 100 year rule would have been applied by default in such circumstances. Of course, given how the relationship with Germany has changed, waiting for the full 100 years to lapse now seems a bit odd, but I guess that is the point of rule - Its a long time after anyone would consider the matters an issue.

The other interesting thing is had the war not happen in the way it did, or perhaps an earlier truce had been drawn, it would have been quite likely Germany would have beaten the US to the moon landings given the will to do such a thing. Germany had all the rocket propulsion technology at the time, and this skill acquired from emigrating scientists was relied on heavily by NASA.

If you have seen the spoof film Iron Sky, I think this is where a lot of the idea of the plot is drawn from.Indeed the Nazi regime was even building planes that looked like UFOs in attempts to overcome RADAR.

Both sides had RADAR, but the British invention of the resonant cavity magnetron was a real game changer. The Nazi's under invested in the technology, partly because Hitler didn't like spending on defensive measures and preferred attack (typical megalomaniac trait).

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Show me where was the German gas centrifuge facility for refining Uranium to produce the materials for a bomb. It didn't exist. Germany didn't have the resources for it. We're talking about a huge facility employing 10s of thousands of people. The Oak ridge facility was the size of the city of Frankfurt.

and:

John Wheeler, who worked on the Manhattan Project, talked about German efforts in his memoir.

As a result of experiments such as those carried out by White and Creutz, those of us thinking about reactor design concluded that carbon in the form of graphite would be a suitable moderator, if it could be secured in pure enough form. We knew that "heavy water" ... would be even better, but it would be costlier to make. ...

Fortunately for us, our German counterparts reached a different conclusion. They thought that neutron absorption in graphite made it an unsuitable moderator, and they therefore turned their attention to acquiring large quantities of heavy water.

...

The German misjudgment about graphite was one of the things that slowed their progress toward a bomb. At the end of the war in Europe, two and a half years after Fermi's pile went critical, the Germans did not yet have an operating reactor, much less any clear idea of how to build a bomb.

But that is science. They'd have worked that out eventually. They key point is that it was a race against time and fortunately they didn't complete the race.

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