kjw Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Whats wrong with the British companies then? Dyson? Sky? Virgin?Is it because Apple have a better class of tax avoidance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37348889 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Frais Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 What a joke. Its either inducing them to come over here or its just part of a wider market manipulation. Why not sling these a few billion all apparently based in the UK http://www.wileyfox.com/ http://www.bullitt-group.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 This was also posted on the Boe thread. Probably a good idea to keep discussion there or it all gets mixed up/lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMartinSanchez Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I'm calling peak AAPL. SELL SELL SELL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doomed Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Really what on earth is happening? On what planet can this possibly be a good idea? Where is my free money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John The Pessimist Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 In the global financial crisis thread Scepticus has posted a piece that suggests that Apple is a major holder of T-bills & gilts as well as corporate bonds. The implication is that Apple has so much cash ($8bn was mentioned), that they are struggling to find ways to hold it and have in the region of $150bn in financial instruments of one sort or another. If collapsogeddon does come along, Apple could well end up 'holding the baby', irrespective of the impact on the core business of flogging high end devices*. *Posted from my iPad & probably being flagged up in an Apple office somewhere. I assume my next iOS update will crash everything horribly. http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/206092-we-are-facing-another-global-financial-crisis-of-epic-proportions/page-367 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evetsm Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 They tried communism through the front door. They used Bolshevism to kick the door down and take over. That failed. Now they come with communism via the back door via the central banks. Eventually one central bank will own everything(maybe the BIS) and the rest of us will all be equal in our communist paradise. ie we'll all be flat broke serfs. Many of these neocon "capitalists" are in fact unreconstructed Trotskyists. Check their backgrounds. A leopard never changes its spots , only its tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katchytitle Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 They tried communism through the front door. They used Bolshevism to kick the door down and take over. That failed. Now they come with communism via the back door via the central banks. Eventually one central bank will own everything(maybe the BIS) and the rest of us will all be equal in our communist paradise. ie we'll all be flat broke serfs. Many of these neocon "capitalists" are in fact unreconstructed Trotskyists. Check their backgrounds. A leopard never changes its spots , only its tactics. Agreed. The "leisure class" will determine this a bit too late. People will think we are capitalist until they suddenly lose all confidence in government as it moves us all to socialism to keep control and hide their decades of mis-management. If people want to understand the social hierarchy a bit more they should read the book below, to understand why, you are a worker, your bosses are above you and another group seamingly do nothing but govern you. Money in of it self is simply a control system tha replaced guns and violence. ( Read https://www.amazon.co.uk/Theory-Leisure-Oxford-Worlds-Classics-ebook/dp/B005PUWS7S/ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&me=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Erm, why should Apple issue bonds of any kind? I thought they had a vast cash pile! Are they borrowing money at negative interest rates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Whats wrong with the British companies then? Dyson? Sky? Virgin? I hope you'd pick better companies than those to lend to! OK, Virgin's not all bad, but neither is it a single company ... but I'd apply the bargepole to sky or dyson. Edited September 14, 2016 by porca misèria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Made me think of those word games APPLE APLE APLG ALG AIG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Erm, why should Apple issue bonds of any kind? I thought they had a vast cash pile! Are they borrowing money at negative interest rates? Same reason a lot of the big corporates are borrowing money I would guess - to buy back shares, keeping the stock price high, triggering executive bonuses and increasing the value of the execs stock options. It certainly wouldn't be to invest in actually making the company more productive and/or expand their business to take advantage of new opportunities. This is just one huge disaster waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 They tried communism through the front door. They used Bolshevism to kick the door down and take over. That failed. Now they come with communism via the back door via the central banks. Eventually one central bank will own everything(maybe the BIS) and the rest of us will all be equal in our communist paradise. ie we'll all be flat broke serfs. Many of these neocon "capitalists" are in fact unreconstructed Trotskyists. Check their backgrounds. A leopard never changes its spots , only its tactics. Despite their outward dissimilarities the neoclassicals and the communists do in fact have something in common: a belief that economies evolve inevitably to a stable, fixed point attractor with no alternative choice of outcome! Communists believe that an ideal state of equilibrium is realisable via class warfare and the wholesale State ownership of the means of production, whereas neoclassicals believe that an ideal state of equilibrium can be obtained via a pure barter economy and the Invisible Hand. By way of contrast, real unregulated markets, at least those sophisticated enough to be described by stochastic models, have been shown to be wildly unstable for intervals >10 minutes. Convincing reproducible, empirical evidence of an Invisible Hand at work (as opposed to the Visible Hand of an auctioneer or bookmaker) has never been presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderpup Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Erm, why should Apple issue bonds of any kind? I thought they had a vast cash pile! Are they borrowing money at negative interest rates? I think it's because they can't repatriate that vast cash pile into the US without paying a large tax bill- so the solution is to issue bonds to raise money instead- it makes sense in a surreal kind of way if the interest rates on their bonds are lower than the cost of the taxes they might have to pay for using their own debt free resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulfar Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Apple are being arrogant unfortunately they don't have jobs anymore. A prime example of this is the latest iPhone without a headphone jack, even the fanboys are having trouble justifying this lunacy. The Apple bubble is bursting, they are losing sales and market share. The market for mobile devices is to peak. Without a major new battery technology things cannot progress much further and a lot of people are realizing they don't need the power of the current smartphones never mind the next generation. So given the government and Bank of England failures in the past, them buying is a sure sign to sell Apple. The next big thing was supposed to be VR, but because of the high entry cost and still cumbersome hardware this has stalled. Edited September 14, 2016 by Ulfar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDevil Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I think it's because they can't repatriate that vast cash pile into the US without paying a large tax bill- so the solution is to issue bonds to raise money instead- it makes sense in a surreal kind of way if the interest rates on their bonds are lower than the cost of the taxes they might have to pay for using their own debt free resources. Makes sense, and its a f'''''g disgrace. The Boe must be hoping that the ££ they get from the bonds will be invested in the UK, while the cash pile sits in a tax haven. Fat chance of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Democorruptcy Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 I'm not sure the BoE are being vigilant enough. Don't they know about all the Apple factory worker suicides in China? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahBell Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Is this Apple who've been stiffed for a pile of tax recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
200p Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Stock chart for future reference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 (edited) Despite their outward dissimilarities the neoclassicals and the communists do in fact have something in common: a belief that economies evolve inevitably to a stable, fixed point attractor with no alternative choice of outcome! Communists believe that an ideal state of equilibrium is realisable via class warfare and the wholesale State ownership of the means of production, whereas neoclassicals believe that an ideal state of equilibrium can be obtained via a pure barter economy and the Invisible Hand. By way of contrast, real unregulated markets, at least those sophisticated enough to be described by stochastic models, have been shown to be wildly unstable for intervals >10 minutes. Convincing reproducible, empirical evidence of an Invisible Hand at work (as opposed to the Visible Hand of an auctioneer or bookmaker) has never been presented. Rather like coevolution of multiple species of organism, never actually end up at an end point, continuously coevolving, little chaotic sandpile avalanches along the way. Edited September 14, 2016 by Si1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 Rather like coevolution of multiple species of organism, never actually end up at an end point, continuously coevolving, little chaotic sandpile avalanches along the way. +1 Equilibrium = death for all living things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted September 14, 2016 Share Posted September 14, 2016 +1 Equilibrium = death for all living things. They have to have some chaos to their otherwise causal system responses otherwise they'd have no resilience. I don't think that's strictly covered by Darwinism but then again he never claimed to have had the last word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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