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Jeez, looks like the SJW faction now wants to get rid of cash too:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/05/why-cash-isnt-king-any-more

A less-cash society would be fairer and safer because the more cash you carry, the more you help the underground economy, not the legal one

I used to think the Grauniad was one of the better rags out there but over the last few years they have just lurched into 'Social Justice Warrior' looniness. This takes the cake though, apart from parroting the 'get rid of cash, it's illegal' theme put about by the establishment, they have attempted to link it into their dumb 'progressive' political agenda too.

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I suppose there's a tiny bit of truth to it but it rather misses the point that the "everything you do is a matter of record, how dare you want privacy" economy is becoming more obnoxious than the criminal one.

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It's just this bloke:

Kenneth Rogoff is professor of economics and public policy at Harvard University

punting his book:

In my new book, The Curse of Cash, I offer a plan that involves very gradually phasing out large notes, while leaving small notes ($10 and below) in circulation indefinitely.

So they got a bit of free copy and clickbait!

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Cash (anonymous and untraceable money) is a critical part of what little liberty and privacy we have remaining.

Absolutely essential.

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Cash (anonymous and untraceable money) is a critical part of what little liberty and privacy we have remaining.

Absolutely essential.

agreed.

The restrictions on large cash transactions is about right - most countries have a level (10k-15k ish in local currency) above which stuff is measured. That is fine, and helps stop brown envelope behaviours. Bur, errol is 100% right, below those large cash situations, it is vital from freedom that people can buy a sneaky pack of fags, or have a pint, or pay for petrol, without it being on a database the government can see.

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Cash (anonymous and untraceable money) is a critical part of what little liberty and privacy we have remaining.

Absolutely essential.

Liberty and privacy are threats to the power of the state. When coupled with the tax dodging potential that cash brings, it's easy to see why those who want an all powerful state are so anti-cash.

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agreed.

The restrictions on large cash transactions is about right - most countries have a level (10k-15k ish in local currency) above which stuff is measured. That is fine, and helps stop brown envelope behaviours. Bur, errol is 100% right, below those large cash situations, it is vital from freedom that people can buy a sneaky pack of fags, or have a pint, or pay for petrol, without it being on a database the government can see.

There is no issue with someone storing £500,000 in £10 notes at home if they like. It's up to them who they give them to and when and it's not something that anyone should need to know (including the government).

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SJWs are all about big daddy government solving all problems. I find it ironic they throw the term Nazi at everything and yet they embody the mad socialism of the nazis threatening to arrest climate change deniers and telling everyone what to think.

I dont know who scares me the most the SJWs led by mad lizard hilary or the extreme right now finding a foothold in europe.

Still the elites are winning pit us all against each other and whittle away at those dangerous freedoms.

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Jeez, looks like the SJW faction now wants to get rid of cash too:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/sep/05/why-cash-isnt-king-any-more

I used to think the Grauniad was one of the better rags out there but over the last few years they have just lurched into 'Social Justice Warrior' looniness. This takes the cake though, apart from parroting the 'get rid of cash, it's illegal' theme put about by the establishment, they have attempted to link it into their dumb 'progressive' political agenda too.

a less cash society will be more regulated.

you just need to keep on the right side of the regulators(that's the problem bit)...and that includes the SJW's if they end up with a regulator that has a particular bee in their bonnet about weed/sandals/lentils

smokers have been persecuted for decades,so don't rule out banning lentils because of their links to farting/methane/global warming

you won't have the opportunity to buy that stuff on the black market if it becomes contraband.

Imagine lentils as Class A's punishable by life imprisonment for posession of a daal.

what happens if you get the munchies and fancy a tandoori?...the smell is probably as potent as ganja!!!!

can you just imagine these illicit "delivery drivers"

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It worries me that my offspring, early twenties, just don't carry cash. It's almost as if they are royalty ;) seriously, from my small sample, it seems that the young are just being groomed to pay for everything in traceable ways. This is how the move to a cashless society will happen, through stealth and indoctrination of the young. God, I'm getting more like my grandparents every day. When I go, I hope that the piano and biscuit tin in the loft will be checked

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It worries me that my offspring, early twenties, just don't carry cash. It's almost as if they are royalty ;) seriously, from my small sample, it seems that the young are just being groomed to pay for everything in traceable ways. This is how the move to a cashless society will happen, through stealth and indoctrination of the young. God, I'm getting more like my grandparents every day. When I go, I hope that the piano and biscuit tin in the loft will be checked

Well done on getting that piano up the loft. I wouldn't fancy taking one up the stairs myself.

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Years ago when Gordon Brown became prime minister he gave an interview in the guardian where he stated he eventually wanted to see a cashless society.

I can remember it clearly as cashless society was one of the key components of the conspiracy theories of the time like the Zeitgeist film, part of the end game of full control of the masses.

Social media, records of all your internet searches and emails, mobile phone records and cashless society.

The only secret you'd have would be your own thoughts.

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Getting more and more of these type of articles, just priming the public.

I am not sure they need to. Cash is already rapidly disappearing from most peoples daily lives. I rarely visit the ATM anymore all the essentials of daily life are either on DD or like beer/coffee/sandwiches etc. just a tap of a card away.

Give it another 5 years and just having more than a few quid in cash will start to look a bit suspect.

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Years ago when Gordon Brown became prime minister he gave an interview in the guardian where he stated he eventually wanted to see a cashless society.

I can remember it clearly as cashless society was one of the key components of the conspiracy theories of the time like the Zeitgeist film, part of the end game of full control of the masses.

Social media, records of all your internet searches and emails, mobile phone records and cashless society.

The only secret you'd have would be your own thoughts.

Don't be so sure, I recently read somewhere that Google/Facebook are working on that.

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I am not sure they need to. Cash is already rapidly disappearing from most peoples daily lives. I rarely visit the ATM anymore all the essentials of daily life are either on DD or like beer/coffee/sandwiches etc. just a tap of a card away.

Give it another 5 years and just having more than a few quid in cash will start to look a bit suspect.

Only because people are easily indoctrinated by propaganda.

I make a point of using cash, it's amusing to see the fuss it causes when I buy a new laptop with cash, you'd be surprised how many PC World staff it takes to count and verify a grand in cash :lol:. The only time I don't use cash is for online purchases.

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It worries me that my offspring, early twenties, just don't carry cash. It's almost as if they are royalty ;) seriously, from my small sample, it seems that the young are just being groomed to pay for everything in traceable ways. This is how the move to a cashless society will happen, through stealth and indoctrination of the young. God, I'm getting more like my grandparents every day. When I go, I hope that the piano and biscuit tin in the loft will be checked

As parent you get first dibs on indoctrinating the kids (until the state does something about that as well)!

Mine are properly brainwashed into HPC ways. They always use cash, won't touch debt, query the value of university, and are achieving savings rates of over 80%.

Their peers and pals, OTOH, are a disaster zone. Would sell their grandmothers to Big Brother if it made for a more convenient payment mechanism.

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As parent you get first dibs on indoctrinating the kids (until the state does something about that as well)!

Mine are properly brainwashed into HPC ways. They always use cash, won't touch debt, query the value of university, and are achieving savings rates of over 80%.

Their peers and pals, OTOH, are a disaster zone. Would sell their grandmothers to Big Brother if it made for a more convenient payment mechanism.

Believe me justthisbloke I've tried. They just consider me a consipaloon when I try and educate. I blame the so called university education they received.

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Only because people are easily indoctrinated by propaganda.

I make a point of using cash, it's amusing to see the fuss it causes when I buy a new laptop with cash, you'd be surprised how many PC World staff it takes to count and verify a grand in cash :lol:. The only time I don't use cash is for online purchases.

But most of us just can't be arsed.

Already the idea of handing over bits of paper and getting back more paper and a pocketful of metal bits every time I buy something is cash is starting to feel a bit weird.

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