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It's a source of great amusement to me that the right wing Tories are on their second woman Prime Minister, while the "right-on" labour party are planning special measures to put women into positions of power because they seem unable to promote women without gaming the system. It's utterly farcical.

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It's a source of great amusement to me that the right wing Tories are on their second woman Prime Minister, while the "right-on" labour party are planning special measures to put women into positions of power because they seem unable to promote women without gaming the system. It's utterly farcical.

+1 It pleases me greatly!

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What next from Corbyn?

An away day at which they decide to ban offsite meetings because they discriminate against mums who need to pick the kids up from school?

A working lunch at which they decide to ban meetings in restaurants because they might cause anxiety for women who normally don't leave their own kitchen?

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What happened to proper Socialism, where some intellectuals thought poor people deserved better? :wacko:

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Some jobs you can only do by making the contacts down the pub, London market insurance underwriting requires this: lunch down the pub every day and down the pub each evening before the train.

One very clever guy who barely drank hardly got anywhere because he didn't make the contacts.

A lot of sales type jobs like brokers require this socialising outside of work hours.

This discriminates against women with children, people who don't drink, anybody who wants to keep fit, people who want a decent life outside of work etc.

That is however how these jobs work, not everything is as controllable as Corbyn seems to think it is.

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Some jobs you can only do by making the contacts down the pub, London market insurance underwriting requires this: lunch down the pub every day and down the pub each evening before the train.

One very clever guy who barely drank hardly got anywhere because he didn't make the contacts.

A lot of sales type jobs like brokers require this socialising outside of work hours.

This discriminates against women with children, people who don't drink, anybody who wants to keep fit, people who want a decent life outside of work etc.

That is however how these jobs work, not everything is as controllable as Corbyn seems to think it is.

Sharia will solve everything my friend.

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This sort of thing is why people dislike feminism - it's not actually helping anyone and just pisses men off. Don't ban after work drinks - make it more likely that a father will head home to look after his children so that the mother can stay out instead half the time. We need more things like shared parental leave where everyone benefits and it helps build a more equal society. If men are just as likely to stay home for a few months to look after a new baby then women are less likely to be discriminated against when hiring, men are more likely to take responsibility for caring for their children throughout childhood which means that mothers are more likely to progress in the workplace and fathers are more likely to get shared custody if the relationship breaks down. Life gets better for both men and women. Workplace quotas and banning fun help nobody.

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This sort of thing is why people dislike feminism - it's not actually helping anyone and just pisses men off. Don't ban after work drinks - make it more likely that a father will head home to look after his children so that the mother can stay out instead half the time. We need more things like shared parental leave where everyone benefits and it helps build a more equal society. If men are just as likely to stay home for a few months to look after a new baby then women are less likely to be discriminated against when hiring, men are more likely to take responsibility for caring for their children throughout childhood which means that mothers are more likely to progress in the workplace and fathers are more likely to get shared custody if the relationship breaks down. Life gets better for both men and women. Workplace quotas and banning fun help nobody.

You can't make it more likely that the dad will head home for bathtime. That is up to the individual couple how they manage their time and the state should have nothing to do with it.

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You can't make it more likely that the dad will head home for bathtime. That is up to the individual couple how they manage their time and the state should have nothing to do with it.

I'm just saying that by giving the father more time alone with his children from the start he's more likely to take an active role in their care - I don't think this should be forced at all. Shared parental leave is a great start and I think fathers should be given the same access to flexible hours and part time work as mothers are so that if they do want to spend more time with their children then they can.

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I'm just saying that by giving the father more time alone with his children from the start he's more likely to take an active role in their care - I don't think this should be forced at all. Shared parental leave is a great start and I think fathers should be given the same access to flexible hours and part time work as mothers are so that if they do want to spend more time with their children then they can.

Fair enough - but mothers have the right to 'request' part time hours. Their employer has the right to decline.

Same is true of fathers' They can ask. Mainly I guess it comes down to money.

With our employees we used to give them two weeks paid parental leave (we weren't a very large company though.) They could also request a month working 50% hours which most said was far more useful to them.

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Some jobs you can only do by making the contacts down the pub, London market insurance underwriting requires this: lunch down the pub every day and down the pub each evening before the train.

One very clever guy who barely drank hardly got anywhere because he didn't make the contacts.

A lot of sales type jobs like brokers require this socialising outside of work hours.

This discriminates against women with children, people who don't drink, anybody who wants to keep fit, people who want a decent life outside of work etc.

That is however how these jobs work, not everything is as controllable as Corbyn seems to think it is.

I hate the 'having to waste time being matey after work". During work, fine, of course. I'm not saying anything about my cleverness, but my establishment career suffered because of my attitude. However, given that nobody wishes they'd spent another day in the office when they're on their death bed, I am very happy in having spent less time suffering people I work with and more time doing what I want.

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It was the drinks and the regular 5-a-side football etc. that made work better. People became your friends. It oiled the wheels of work and smoothed many a project or endeavour. Key part of the grapevine. Absolutely crucial.

I never did it because of that. I did it because it was fun. It is only looking back that I realise its true value.

My career and pay was held back massively, locally, but all my real colleagues are international, so after work drinks were pointless when I could be outdoors having fun, rather than buying drinks for people I couldn't see the point of buying drinks for. Locally, I remained lowest of the low as I was not part of incestuous club, internationally, I was sought after and travelled the world as a result, which made me even more overlooked locally.

Colleagues abroad could never understand how little I was paid. Was head hunted a few times, but money never made up for what I'd give up as I had a nice UK set up, albeit I've always rented. Now, in hindsight, I wish I'd left the UK as then I wouldn't be here now, but I didn't have a crystal ball. Making my plans now.

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To add, again this is showing how little Corbyn understands. This may apply in London, but most people working in smaller places outside of the city will be driving home. The after work drink culture does not exist for these people.

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To add, again this is showing how little Corbyn understands. This may apply in London, but most people working in smaller places outside of the city will be driving home. The after work drink culture does not exist for these people.

Very good point.

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Before the days of NuLabour proper Labour (if there ever was such a thing as proper Labour) would stay well away from infringing on workers' "beer and baccy" as they used to call it.

NuLabour and chums pretty much did for the baccy and maybe Corbyn is going to focus on doing for the beer now.

It'll all be JoyThrough Work or at least joy through zero hours work and so on. That and joy through crazy house prices etc.

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To add, again this is showing how little Corbyn understands. This may apply in London, but most people working in smaller places outside of the city will be driving home. The after work drink culture does not exist for these people.

I think you are right. After work drinking is only inner cities with public transport. When MOD procurement moved from central London to outskirts of Bristol the drinking culture faded away pretty quickly.

Lunchtime drinking went from most days to Friday only. Part of the reason was flexi-time; as soon as you went over 30min you were drinking on your own time, not nearly as much fun as drinking on works (taxpayers) time.

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