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I would have put this in one of the brexit threads, but they mostly seem to be full of angry people and trolls, so thought I'd just sneak it in quietly down here. It seems to be a minor tenndency with parties attracting less than 1% of votes but (probably unreliable) media polls have put independist feeling at up to 10% in Newfoundland and 40%in Alberta.

The funny thing is how similar many of the reasons are to the brexit (and Scottish independence) debate: paying in too much: feeling cut off and abandoned by central government; fisheries; political differences; cultural differences; the bloody French (Quebequois) getting all the favours.

And the "arguments" against: How on earth could a tiny country (15M people) survive on it's own: but it will be too complicated; why would you leave this union (Canada) and then give your independence uo to the USA; Ha, doesn't look like such a good idea now that all your oil money's dried up, does it.

This reddit from last year probably covers a lot of the discussion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/3psyeo/support_grows_for_western_canadian_independence/

I actually originally noticed it because of this film. It's french, but 90% of it is English interviews with Anglos.

http://mobile.tv5mondeplus.com/video/05-07-2016/les-etats-desunis-du-canada-1091311/

Similarly, the history of the referendum in 1948 for Newfoundland to join Canada seems to be riven with the same sort of political machinations as our own EU history. It passed by 52% to 48% :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_referendums,_1948

If you are interested, you can google "separatists" plus Cascadia, Arcadia, Alberta, Newfoundland or West Coast, otherwise you'll just get swamped with hits for Quebec. Here's some wikis though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionist_movements_of_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Canada_Independence_Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Union

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I would have put this in one of the brexit threads, but they mostly seem to be full of angry people and trolls, so thought I'd just sneak it in quietly down here. It seems to be a minor tenndency with parties attracting less than 1% of votes but (probably unreliable) media polls have put independist feeling at up to 10% in Newfoundland and 40%in Alberta.

The funny thing is how similar many of the reasons are to the brexit (and Scottish independence) debate: paying in too much: feeling cut off and abandoned by central government; fisheries; political differences; cultural differences; the bloody French (Quebequois) getting all the favours.

And the "arguments" against: How on earth could a tiny country (15M people) survive on it's own: but it will be too complicated; why would you leave this union (Canada) and then give your independence uo to the USA; Ha, doesn't look like such a good idea now that all your oil money's dried up, does it.

This reddit from last year probably covers a lot of the discussion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/3psyeo/support_grows_for_western_canadian_independence/

I actually originally noticed it because of this film. It's french, but 90% of it is English interviews with Anglos.

http://mobile.tv5mondeplus.com/video/05-07-2016/les-etats-desunis-du-canada-1091311/

Similarly, the history of the referendum in 1948 for Newfoundland to join Canada seems to be riven with the same sort of political machinations as our own EU history. It passed by 52% to 48% :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_referendums,_1948

If you are interested, you can google "separatists" plus Cascadia, Arcadia, Alberta, Newfoundland or West Coast, otherwise you'll just get swamped with hits for Quebec. Here's some wikis though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionist_movements_of_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Canada_Independence_Party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_separatism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_Union

Visit Canada a lot for work (Hamilton and Toronto)

Already occurred to me how similar the Scottish referendum was to the various Quebec ones over the years.

Firstly most English speaking Canadian are sick to death of the French part and would happily see it leave. Reasons are mainly the degree of subsidy give to quebec, that their politics is corrupt but most importantly - they are French

Was told that it was the only region with no population growth as new immigrants (often francophone ones from Africa Cambodia given fast track by the Quebec govt) settled they moved out as fast as they could to the English speaking parts as they felt unwelcome

Quebec always narrowly votes to in because just enough of them realise that a small French speaking independent country in North America would not prosper and that they would probably end up having to speak English out of financial necessity.

Also Pierre Trudeau did a very clever thing making all govt functions bilingual. Essentially this handed the whole civil service over the French Canadians as the English speakers couldn't be bothered to learn French. Thus voting for seperation would lose a lot of québécois their jobs..

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Obviously small in population (8m) also no natural resources to speak of.

Garlic, Gitanes, and body hair, and that's the women. :wacko:

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Although geographically Quebec is over twice the size of France so not that small.

Most of it is freezing cold and populated by wildlife that will eat your head given a chance, other than that very similar!

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Canada can't last much longer when you have the conservative West ruled over by Liberal Ontario and welfare-state Quebec, with the Liberals importing more Liberal voters every year. I'd give it 20 years, or less if America splits first (which is almost certain to happen on that timescale if Clinton wins).

Any politician who stands on a platform of building a wall between Ontario and Manitoba will get my vote. I was having a discussion the other day about how we need to prevent more Liberals from moving West to screw up our provinces after they've destroyed their own.

Didn't I read a while back that Alberta wouldn't have its current budget problems if not for the money it has to send to Ottawa to subsidize Quebec?

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There are islands near Newfoundland that are still completely French.

http://www.straight.com/life/519256/newfoundland-take-side-trip-these-french-islands

St-Pierre–Miquelon. The ultimate threat in the French civil service is a posting there. They were a very useful base when De Gaulle was stirring up anti "anglo" feeling in Quebec in the 1960s.

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St-Pierre–Miquelon. The ultimate threat in the French civil service is a posting there. They were a very useful base when De Gaulle was stirring up anti "anglo" feeling in Quebec in the 1960s.

..and the very same chap was basically a refugee here back in the 40's ,whom we took in and gave protection and shelter.

that's gratitude for you!

lest we forget how wars work in europe.

1)france tries to undermine britain economically,militarily etc

2)france gets mowed down in quick fashion by hiter-esque demagogue figure, the rest capitulate and become willing vassals of the new fuhrer.

3)divine intervention somehow pits the communists against the fascists.

if you can't see history repeating itself vis a vis ISIS you must be blind.

1)did france try to undermine us militarily/economically again( yes through blair and cohorts- I know he's irish really, but he is very much on that side of the fence)

2)will they be under occupation by a hitler 2.0 shortly?, (yes, so they had better keep calais and the channel tunnel open, they will need them to run through)

3) will communism come to the rescue again(china and india in particular)?...maybe, but france(and italy who are really the prime sponsors) will be punished very,very severely this time and they will learn not to pull that kind of stunt ever again.

the EU may say they wish to punish us for leaving,but they should be careful.Whatever they try to mete out to us boomerangs back on them.On steroids.

Like the story of joseph in the bible.....his brothers try to kill him,judah sells him into slavery,and a few years later all the brothers come to joseph begging for food/refuge.

just as an aside, will operation sealion 2.0 succeed this time..quite possibly we will be occupied and subjugated in part(churchill was right)

just not in full like the rest of europe.

so man up and tool up is my message to mrs may+ co...and do it NOW...get those alliances with our friends across the pond,you will need them now more than ever.

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