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Beeb have been majoring on these 'grants'

Chief Scientist bewailing possible loss of 'EU Grant'

Leisure manager telling how district has been improved with' EU Grant'

So, did Greece, Lithuania, Spain, Italy, Portugal etc. contribute,

OR

Was it our own money doled out to us?

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Our own money. The remainers cannot get their heads around this.

I was just on the phone to a dear friend - not spoken to him since the vote - and he ranted for 10 minutes about how racist UKIP, Brexiters and Boris Johnson is. He is an old Labour guy, ex welsh miner and a good guy but his mindset is so deeply entrenched that nothing will make think differently.

I just listened.

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EU grants will be replaced by UK grants.

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All science will have to be re-done, using Imperial units.

A horsepower is 550 foot pounds per second, or 746 Watts.

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Id bet farm subs sre going to be slashed.

Theres farmers political weight issh1t.

Since 73 theres been xbout a 80% refuction in the people working on farms. Christ, some farmers I know were still using some horses in the 70s.

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I thought the measure in scotland was the wee dram

I'm sure they are metric now, but a measure was 1/5 gill, and in England 1/6 (IIRC).

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Id bet farm subs sre going to be slashed.

Theres farmers political weight issh1t.

Since 73 theres been xbout a 80% refuction in the people working on farms. Christ, some farmers I know were still using some horses in the 70s.

Being close to Wales, our farmers used sheep. :wacko:

But yes, I remember the "rag and bone man", like the Steptoes had a horse and cart. Recycling stuff before it became an edict, and the recycled stuff had commercial value.

I wouldn't worry too much about farmers. Farming will always be subsidised.

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Being close to Wales, our farmers used sheep. :wacko:

But yes, I remember the "rag and bone man", like the Steptoes had a horse and cart. Recycling stuff before it became an edict, and the recycled stuff had commercial value.

I wouldn't worry too much about farmers. Farming will always be subsidised.

Christ. Posh bstard. Mbro/Hpoolstill had horse based rag+bone well into the 90s.

XYZ might still get visits.

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Id bet farm subs sre going to be slashed.

But can't we just pay it out of the £350 million saving and whatever is left goes to the NHS

I think that's why May gave Leadsom the job of breaking it to the farmers - revenge best served cold and all that

I get the impression that May realises what a can of worms brexit is and so has given it to the most vocal brexiteers in her party, as if to say "it's your mess, you can deliver it"

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EU grants are funny things.

Of course the money comes from UK subs - they are sort-of cash neutral.

But it will still have an effect.

EU grants pushed collaborative working across the EU, so lots of travel, secondments, working in foreign countries.

To a certain extent this is a good thing - collaborative studies across a few departments can lead to the whole being greater than the sum.

But, far too often, the 'collaborations' were just a contrived arrangement that just existed to get the money.

IMO part of the problem is that academics have spent years perfecting the art of getting the EU grant, including little empires across borders which only really exist to get the money and have a few jollies every now and then (not to say that the collaboration isn't productive - just it often isn't any more productive than just doing it in the one department). Leaving the EU will 'reset' the system, and make them have to compete with younger, more agile academics.

Anyway, there will continue to be opportunities for collaborative studies onwards into the future - just that there will be just as many opportunities exEU than within it.

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But can't we just pay it out of the £350 million saving and whatever is left goes to the NHS

I think that's why May gave Leadsom the job of breaking it to the farmers - revenge best served cold and all that

I get the impression that May realises what a can of worms brexit is and so has given it to the most vocal brexiteers in her party, as if to say "it's your mess, you can deliver it"

The majority - by number - of our farmers are useless.

I know two types of farmers.

The ones who farm a large acreage and run it like a business will survive. These ones will be OK. A lot have diversified from the UK - they can see who the high price of agri land and labour is a killer.

Then there's Farmer Brown and his thcik son, farming a field of potatoes and cows. These people will be hammered.

I stopped being polite and started laughing loud in the second types face after listen to 10+ of them go on about how the EU was holding then back, whilst cashing cheques for doing fckall.

I think the small farmers are insane. They cannot see that their entire business is propped up by subs chqeues.

Yeah but we'll get the sub from the UK gov. No you wont!

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EU grants are funny things.

Of course the money comes from UK subs - they are sort-of cash neutral.

But it will still have an effect.

EU grants pushed collaborative working across the EU, so lots of travel, secondments, working in foreign countries.

To a certain extent this is a good thing - collaborative studies across a few departments can lead to the whole being greater than the sum.

But, far too often, the 'collaborations' were just a contrived arrangement that just existed to get the money.

IMO part of the problem is that academics have spent years perfecting the art of getting the EU grant, including little empires across borders which only really exist to get the money and have a few jollies every now and then (not to say that the collaboration isn't productive - just it often isn't any more productive than just doing it in the one department). Leaving the EU will 'reset' the system, and make them have to compete with younger, more agile academics.

Anyway, there will continue to be opportunities for collaborative studies onwards into the future - just that there will be just as many opportunities exEU than within it.

Speaking as othern that seen milliojs, maybe billions spent in the region, all too very little effect, I will say the following:

The EU is more redistributive than UKGOV.

However, whether that means the money is worth spending is another question.

Franklu Id prefer a the following to be in palce in the NE - low to no business rates, combined with slashing of benefits or at least time limiting it and enforced workfare. Dont p1ss around being pointless capital projects - unless they are public transport, trains hopefully, to get people out of employment blackspots.

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EU grants are funny things.

Of course the money comes from UK subs - they are sort-of cash neutral.

But it will still have an effect.

EU grants pushed collaborative working across the EU, so lots of travel, secondments, working in foreign countries.

To a certain extent this is a good thing - collaborative studies across a few departments can lead to the whole being greater than the sum.

But, far too often, the 'collaborations' were just a contrived arrangement that just existed to get the money.

IMO part of the problem is that academics have spent years perfecting the art of getting the EU grant, including little empires across borders which only really exist to get the money and have a few jollies every now and then (not to say that the collaboration isn't productive - just it often isn't any more productive than just doing it in the one department). Leaving the EU will 'reset' the system, and make them have to compete with younger, more agile academics.

Anyway, there will continue to be opportunities for collaborative studies onwards into the future - just that there will be just as many opportunities exEU than within it.

Compare the money spent in EU unis to that spent in the US.

Where does it allgo?

What results do we get?

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The majority - by number - of our farmers are useless.

I know two types of farmers.

The ones who farm a large acreage and run it like a business will survive. These ones will be OK. A lot have diversified from the UK - they can see who the high price of agri land and labour is a killer.

Then there's Farmer Brown and his thcik son, farming a field of potatoes and cows. These people will be hammered.

I stopped being polite and started laughing loud in the second types face after listen to 10+ of them go on about how the EU was holding then back, whilst cashing cheques for doing fckall.

I think the small farmers are insane. They cannot see that their entire business is propped up by subs chqeues.

Yeah but we'll get the sub from the UK gov. No you wont!

They all get the subs!

Just that the small farmer gets £10-15k or so - a nice addition to their income, but hardly buys them a footballer's lifestyle (and there are costs as well).

A nice big arable farm could be pulling in £500k+ in payments - and they might go on about how they're employing ten people and how it is a business - but that farmer (who never actually gets in a tractor, toils the land, etc) will still be £££s in just from the payment.

I'd say they should replace the flat rate with a reducing rate - perhaps we'd be better off with 10 farmers (for the above arable example), each of whom gets a decent subsidy, and who works with neighbouring farms (the old estate) to cover larger investment costs (eg, to purchase specialist equipment between them).

Sounds a bit socialist - but it would only be returning to the post WW1 break up of the large country estates.

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I'm sure they are metric now, but a measure was 1/5 gill, and in England 1/6 (IIRC).

Of course, any boozer worth its salt up here serves drams in 1/4 gills (35mL)...

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Compare the money spent in EU unis to that spent in the US.

Where does it allgo?

What results do we get?

God knows. I'm not an academic but work with academics and I can't work out where the money goes.

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