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In Britain, and all over the Western world, huge numbers of people feel the system no longer works for them: that immigration is no benefit to them; that globalised trade and corporations removes their control over their lives; that the quantitative easing of the central banks inflates the prices of assets other people already own.

The anger of such people fuels much of the rise of the Trumps, the Wilders and the Le Pens. In its Left-wing form it has brought us Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn, and last month it helped the Leave campaign to win a famous victory.

When we take the big calls, we’ll think not of the powerful, but you

Theresa May

Finding the answer to such rampant discontent should be the central concern of mainstream political leaders, in a race against time to find workable solutions before rampant populism overwhelms them.

In speaking as she did on the steps of Downing Street, and in the speech she gave in Birmingham just before the dramatic collapse of the Tory leadership election, Theresa May fired the starting gun of that race, opening up a new effort to define how the centre-Right of politics can lay claim to inclusion, fairness, and control.

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I read the article first thing this morning, and I agree with the main principle. Work/careers as we know it are going to be over soon.

Not necessarily a bad thing if we can manage this huge cultural shift towards nonrepetitive - creative mentality.

It's a massive step.

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I'm sure I've said this before but if you are worried about such things the inevitable by Kevin Kelly highlights what is going to happen in a cheerful way....

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It's high time our elected representatives acknowledge the elephant in the room and begin the evolutionary process of adapting our economies to the new paradigm.

My mini manifesto:

  1. Citizens income - there's not enough meaningful work to go around everyone that needs a proper income to get by. End the stigmatisation of unemployment, free up all the resource committed to administering welfare, which would create more unemployment and yet more need for CI. This can only be introduced once immigration is properly controlled.
  2. Stop taxing work and start taxing land and perhaps the electromagnetic spectrum (seeing as so many new enterprises now exist mostly in the ether)
  3. Monetary reform - our monetary\economic system is predicated on the assumption or need for constant growth(of GDP and the human population), which is impossible in a finite world. The world's resources may have seemed infinite 100 years ago but not now and we are still labouring under a system that would have been familiar to Karl Marx.

Imagine a world where we all get just enough to get by without resentment for being the recipient of somebody elses hard work, and if you aspire to more you can work just enough hours per week without being penalised by excessive taxation.

I've never been particularly ambitious career wise, but I've always had to work farly hard in jobs I've disliked to achieve financial security. I'd be more than happy to make do with slightly less and maybe work 2 or 3 days a week at something I enjoy and have more time to pursue my hobbies. This would leave my stressful managerial position open to somebody more aspirational.

I believe this slightly utopian world is easily achievable, and the main obsticals are vested interests in the over financialisation of the economy, the FIRE economy in general and the coopting of the political class by these vested interests.

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Whatever the answers may be, we can be sure they will not be found on the Left.

And this after 40 years of Neoliberal free market economics has bankrupted not merely the UK but the entire world! :lol:

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I think low demand will be a problem for the current economic model. More people on the planet, but we're changing the way we live. We're all "freetards" now on consuming free music and film, getting our "kicks" from the internet, not so much nightclubs and pubs (see younger generations). Anyway, there's no community spirit due to mass immigration, encouraging the atomised way we get "entertainment". We're renters so we don't have that "DIY aspiration" - in fact, we just want to live minimally because carting a house full of crap every 12 to 24 months with constant moving is a right pain.

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studebt's debts/loans will last longer than their careers.

Id use the term gainful employment rather than career.

Very few people hvae mapped out careers for their working life.

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The old world our parents grew up in & did well out of is gone and not coming back, copying the ways that they attempted to live and to get ahead is only going to end in disaster from the younger generations. Getting out of the rat race as quickly as possible is the way to go, sadly not many recognize that - and when most do it will be too late.

I'm not at all optimistic about the abilities of the TPTB to provide any form of meaningful leadership as the world changes.

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I think low demand will be a problem for the current economic model. More people on the planet, but we're changing the way we live. We're all "freetards" now on consuming free music and film, getting our "kicks" from the internet, not so much nightclubs and pubs (see younger generations). Anyway, there's no community spirit due to mass immigration, encouraging the atomised way we get "entertainment". We're renters so we don't have that "DIY aspiration" - in fact, we just want to live minimally because carting a house full of crap every 12 to 24 months with constant moving is a right pain.

I think this is very true.Its a small part of the population,but growing fast.If you take away council tax i can live on less that £100 a week (no rent/mortgage),and thats all bills,food and car.Mostly as like you say everything is free,or nearly free.My income (through choice/semi retired at 42) is the tax allowance now and will never be more until a state pension kicks in (if ever).I have a much higher standard of living now than when earning 4 x more at a FTSE top 10 company.Wherever i go the only people spending heavy in garden centres,cafes,shops,holidays etc seem to be pensioners and large tax credit families.I didnt see many white collar workers defending the factories i used to work at decades ago as they shut,its their turn now.

A CI is pretty certain at some point i think.

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The old world our parents grew up in & did well out of is gone and not coming back, copying the ways that they attempted to live and to get ahead is only going to end in disaster from the younger generations. Getting out of the rat race as quickly as possible is the way to go, sadly not many recognize that - and when most do it will be too late.

I'm not at all optimistic about the abilities of the TPTB to provide any form of meaningful leadership as the world changes.

The working world my Dad got used - mid 50s to late 70s, ~20 years - disappeared in the early 80s.

Combination of higher oil prices, more competition by better products from abroad.

He never worked again after 1981. He is/was unemployable.

The UK cost of living i..e housing and tax has to adjust to reflect the UKs much lower productivity.

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Rather than taxing work, you would be taxing 'hoarding' and accumulating....it acts like a "use it or lose" and I would perhaps have a sliding scale for excessive 'hoarders'. The economy and the money system needs to circulate money without building up unpayable debts in order to be sustainable.

The problem with that would be trust that the good times would continue into the future. It's human nature (well mine anyway) to hoard things when there are plenty of them freely available, against possible harder times in the future.

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There will be a big war soon.

Georgia guidestones lays out the agenda.

Keep humanity below 500,000,000

Currently 7,100,000,000

War seems like the best way for the globalists to get the figure down to something more 'manageable' for them.

1984 here we come!

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I would also add: get rid of cgt, NI, inheritance tax. This allows us to get rid of pensions, ISA's and inheritance tax planning that helps thwart social mobility. Essentially covered now by the annual small % Wealth/Land Tax. Rather than taxing work, you would be taxing 'hoarding' and accumulating....it acts like a "use it or lose it" and I would perhaps have a sliding scale for excessive 'hoarders'. The economy and the money system needs to circulate money without building up unpayable debts in order to be sustainable.

That sounds like encouraging consumption for the sake of it, which might be good for a broken economic system but I struggle to see what real advantages being wasteful has. It would be as artificial as attempting to stop the automation, and at least doing that would have the advantage of making use of a plentiful resource (human labour). That the economy needs such use to keep going is one of the signs that it's broken, one of the few good points to increased automation is that it might force us to face that.

As good as the CI sounds on paper it'll inevitably cause division and resentment. We won't get everyone working less, we'll get more not working (and the rest probably working longer hours looking at the way things are going).

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It's high time our elected representatives acknowledge the elephant in the room and begin the evolutionary process of adapting our economies to the new paradigm.

My mini manifesto:

  • Citizens income - there's not enough meaningful work to go around everyone that needs a proper income to get by. End the stigmatisation of unemployment, free up all the resource committed to administering welfare, which would create more unemployment and yet more need for CI. This can only be introduced once immigration is properly controlled.
  • Stop taxing work and start taxing land and perhaps the electromagnetic spectrum (seeing as so many new enterprises now exist mostly in the ether)
  • Monetary reform - our monetary\economic system is predicated on the assumption or need for constant growth(of GDP and the human population), which is impossible in a finite world. The world's resources may have seemed infinite 100 years ago but not now and we are still labouring under a system that would have been familiar to Karl Marx.
Imagine a world where we all get just enough to get by without resentment for being the recipient of somebody elses hard work, and if you aspire to more you can work just enough hours per week without being penalised by excessive taxation.

I've never been particularly ambitious career wise, but I've always had to work farly hard in jobs I've disliked to achieve financial security. I'd be more than happy to make do with slightly less and maybe work 2 or 3 days a week at something I enjoy and have more time to pursue my hobbies. This would leave my stressful managerial position open to somebody more aspirational.

I believe this slightly utopian world is easily achievable, and the main obsticals are vested interests in the over financialisation of the economy, the FIRE economy in general and the coopting of the political class by these vested interests.

Why not take it to its logical conclusion. Do away with money itself. It has had its uses over the centuries, but is now obsolete as a measure of a person's wealth. What of the billionairres who have spent so much time and effort amassing their large digital figures? Well, what of them.

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Nature will deal with overpopulation in a way that isnt PC.

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CI, annual wealth/land tax and full reserve bankiing

Sounds like a plan but I'm wondering how this would play out. Could this work if a single country like the UK were to implement it?

CI - Surely this would cause an immediate bout of inflation. Many employed people would receive this on top of their current salaries and spend, spend, spend.

Tax Wealth (and land) instead of productivity - Again, employees would have much more money in their pay packet leading to inflation. At the same time wealth (excluding land) would quickly disappear over seas. Capital controls then become required which may stop inward and outward investment.

Full reserve banking - Is the finance industry too powerful for this to ever happen?

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Just a thought but we could probably automate most of government now. If MPs were a private company that shit would have been automated years ago, its really expensive and overblown for what we get. Removing personal ego would probably make for more efficient government decisions. Also a machine wouldn't need expenses either.

Banking will be the first to be automated and this is already happening. There are some high tech factories in china now which are going fully automatic plus the tech has arrived for call centers to be automated. There are lots of tech advances in the pipeline which will automate huge swathes of white collar jobs, left field stuff we wont see coming.

It will leave a lot of humans with a lot of free time lets hope they arent hungry and angry.

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Nature will deal with overpopulation in a way that isnt PC.

I'd like to think that would be the case but sadly I can't see it happening with modern medical research.

There has already been numerous modern day diseases which should have had the ability to wipe out significant proportions of the global population but they've ended up being damp squibs

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I'd like to think that would be the case but sadly I can't see it happening with modern medical research.

There has already been numerous modern day diseases which should have had the ability to wipe out significant proportions of the global population but they've ended up being damp squibs

Not entirely sure if "sadly" is the right word. Although the benefits of some disaster wiping out half the human race would be huge (as long as it isn't something like nuclear war leaving most of the planet uninhabitable) even I can't put it in the "end justifies the means" category. Even though the benefits come later a gradual decline is far, far better. There's some signs of it starting (quite a few western countries being blessed with declining populations, not that the idiots in charge appreciate that) although it's still being overtaken by the backwards for now.

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