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Right, the time has come where we are now sick of renting. Been doing it for 3 years now, waiting for a HPC, but still no joy so we're not putting it off any more. We are gettting married soon and our shoe box flat is just too small. We have viewed lots of houses and are considering making some cheeky offers to test the water. We have decided to go for the biggest we can in the hope that we can potentially stay there for years and years (we are also close to 30 so not the most spring chickens of FTBs). Anyway, seen a place that is very reasonable in comparison to similar houses in the area. But... it needs a lot of work doing on it, as in, every room needs redoing, along with windows and heating. We have no idea of costs. Its a 3 bed detatched. We are thinking maybe £5K for windows, £5K for kitchen. Any idea how much for Gas central heating to be put in throughout? What about bathroom? Please dont take the mick, just after a bit of an insight before we start to think about possible offer. Thanks!

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Average age for FTB is now around 34 I understand. There's plenty on the Web on doing up properties - found a site recently that listed just about every cost you might incur - v accurate too - can't remember link though - sorry!

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Right, the time has come where we are now sick of renting. Been doing it for 3 years now, waiting for a HPC, but still no joy so we're not putting it off any more. We are gettting married soon and our shoe box flat is just too small. We have viewed lots of houses and are considering making some cheeky offers to test the water. We have decided to go for the biggest we can in the hope that we can potentially stay there for years and years (we are also close to 30 so not the most spring chickens of FTBs). Anyway, seen a place that is very reasonable in comparison to similar houses in the area. But... it needs a lot of work doing on it, as in, every room needs redoing, along with windows and heating. We have no idea of costs. Its a 3 bed detatched. We are thinking maybe £5K for windows, £5K for kitchen. Any idea how much for Gas central heating to be put in throughout? What about bathroom? Please dont take the mick, just after a bit of an insight before we start to think about possible offer. Thanks!

Firstly i completely understand how you feel, i'm throughly fed with it all too.

I wouls guess £5k for central heating and at least £3 for a bathroom depending on how posh you'd like it.

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We are thinking maybe £5K for windows, £5K for kitchen. Any idea how much for Gas central heating to be put in throughout? What about bathroom? Please dont take the mick, just after a bit of an insight before we start to think about possible offer. Thanks!

GFCH - £3500 tops (fitted)

Bathroom - £1200 to say £10 000 (Depends on how plush you want it)

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Thanks guys! Thought you'd all tell me I'm an idiot! Shame you cant remember that website, sounds good. Consa, the GSH costs, does that include the boiler and radiators in the rooms? We are not posh, so we'll be getting the cheapest possible! Does £5K sound about right for a kitchen? Again, not posh and no integrated appliances. Cheers!

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Does £5K sound about right for a kitchen

If you install it yourself it will be a great kitchen. Gutted my kitchen last summer fitted units with solid oak doors, wall and floor tiles, just got a plumber to upgrade the plumbing, bought all the specialised tools to do the job, cost, a total of 4.5k. ;)

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Dont really understand why people get fed up of renting if its economical to do so. But each to their own.

Buying doesnt seem like such a bad idea as long as you pick up a good deal by todays standards. It might be a year or so before the real good deals come through though. Just do yourselves (and the crash) a favour though and make sure your offers are down right offensive. Eventually someone will bite and you will be happier with your purchase. Good luck.

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Right, the time has come where we are now sick of renting. Been doing it for 3 years now, waiting for a HPC, but still no joy so we're not putting it off any more. We are gettting married soon and our shoe box flat is just too small. We have viewed lots of houses and are considering making some cheeky offers to test the water. We have decided to go for the biggest we can in the hope that we can potentially stay there for years and years (we are also close to 30 so not the most spring chickens of FTBs). Anyway, seen a place that is very reasonable in comparison to similar houses in the area. But... it needs a lot of work doing on it, as in, every room needs redoing, along with windows and heating. We have no idea of costs. Its a 3 bed detatched. We are thinking maybe £5K for windows, £5K for kitchen. Any idea how much for Gas central heating to be put in throughout? What about bathroom? Please dont take the mick, just after a bit of an insight before we start to think about possible offer. Thanks!

Are you sure you're not paying a premium for this property? I.e once you add up all of the items you list does it come to more than the discount relative to other more finished houses.

Don't forget Doing-A-Property-Up-And-Selling-It-On has been the mantra on TV for about 6 six years running. You could make it pay years ago, but might you end up with an over-priced shit hole this time round?

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Right, the time has come where we are now sick of renting. Been doing it for 3 years now, waiting for a HPC, but still no joy so we're not putting it off any more. We are gettting married soon and our shoe box flat is just too small. We have viewed lots of houses and are considering making some cheeky offers to test the water. We have decided to go for the biggest we can in the hope that we can potentially stay there for years and years (we are also close to 30 so not the most spring chickens of FTBs). Anyway, seen a place that is very reasonable in comparison to similar houses in the area. But... it needs a lot of work doing on it, as in, every room needs redoing, along with windows and heating. We have no idea of costs. Its a 3 bed detatched. We are thinking maybe £5K for windows, £5K for kitchen. Any idea how much for Gas central heating to be put in throughout? What about bathroom? Please dont take the mick, just after a bit of an insight before we start to think about possible offer. Thanks!

It all depends on how extravagent you want to be?

Like said above a kitchen can cost from £1500( B&Q,MFI) to £10,000+

A bathroom suite can be bought in B&Q for £250. Are you DIY handy? do you want to do it yourself?

heating system will cost about £3000 I guess, you can get good deals online for Bioler/Radiator packages

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Not buying to do up and sell. Buying it to do up, live in, have babies there and potentially retire there! This is a good chance for us to get a 3 bed detached that we can actually afford (just!) and then do up gradually (but obviously heating and windows are a priority). DIY will be a definite!

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GFCH - £3500 tops (fitted)

Bathroom - £1200 to say £10 000 (Depends on how plush you want it)

Looks spot on there but 10K for a bathroom im gonna want to wash in it and take a sh*t, about £500 and fitted myself is what i'd be thinking :lol:

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Why don't you rent somewhere nicer? So many STR's have the wrong idea (I think) and think it is more important to save money and live in a shithole, because rentings "money down the drain", than live somewhere nice and save less. STR is a great idea, but you should not put your life on hold, waiting for the crash. Rent somewhere nice and get living !

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My Dad fitted a kitchen a few years ago for £50 and lots of DIY time. He bought a used, but still respectable one out of the paper and made it fit.

edit...just the cupboards and worktops of course. No appliances or extra plumbing.

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I'm with you on this Yogi, fed up with renting too (and I've only done it for 12 months). So the market might crash, or it might stagnate, either way values are likely to correct towards a more consistent long term trend. But if you buy and hold you'll not crystalize a loss.

But buy well, and haggle hard. The best properties will always find buyers, but the fine details regarding a property are important.

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The key for me Yogi is the fact that you want to retire in this house. If that is the case, and you will be happy there for the next 10 -15 years then what are you waiting for?

If on the other hand, you may be moving for work or other reasons over the next 5 years.....

Well I think the info on this site might give you pause for thought

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Take a look on ebay for posh 2nd hand kitchens if you want a nice one on a budget - the odd one turns up - lots of work though.

If going for new though - find a local builders yard & get prices on kitchens & bathrooms as they'll prolly be somewhat cheaper than b&q.

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Don't forget to always think of resale value when you do these things. And don't fit an overly expensive kitchen or bathroom in an average house, if you need to sell in a few years time for unforeseen reasons, you won't get your money back. Haggle hard, its a buyer's market.

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Right, the time has come where we are now sick of renting. Been doing it for 3 years now, waiting for a HPC, but still no joy so we're not putting it off any more. We are gettting married soon and our shoe box flat is just too small. We have viewed lots of houses and are considering making some cheeky offers to test the water. We have decided to go for the biggest we can in the hope that we can potentially stay there for years and years (we are also close to 30 so not the most spring chickens of FTBs). Anyway, seen a place that is very reasonable in comparison to similar houses in the area. But... it needs a lot of work doing on it, as in, every room needs redoing, along with windows and heating. We have no idea of costs. Its a 3 bed detatched. We are thinking maybe £5K for windows, £5K for kitchen. Any idea how much for Gas central heating to be put in throughout? What about bathroom? Please dont take the mick, just after a bit of an insight before we start to think about possible offer. Thanks!

Tips on kitchen..

The carcass may be good..

a lot cheaper to just change the surfaces and doors...

and if its an old kitchen.. its quality may be better then a new one..

Friend re-did his kitchen to look brand new for less the £500

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He's quite right you know....you are in completely the WRONG place for this sort of thing

Has somebody put a link up for HPCdiy.co.uk :D:D

Anyhow, do you own local research but you should find the following -

Kitchens: Howdens

Dirt cheap, they are pretty good and door handles/taps/traps/wastes etc etc are usually cheap or chucked into the package....never paid over £760 for a kitchen (without appliances)

Appliances: eBay

dirt cheap. Go for new 'graded' stuff (slight scratch on a door panel or other minor cosmetic marks) should knock 50% - 70% off the RRP

DGlzd Windows: Trade warehouse.

Nearest one to me is by the pyramid in Stockport. Made to order and you'll do a little 3 bedder on a few hundred quid (excluding doors) in basic white. Fit them yourself. They are seriously easy to fit.

Bathrooms: B&Q - check your local store NOT the website

Ex demo or end-of-lines...take your mum or dad on a Wednesday and get another 15% lopped off for pensioners. Again, a few hundred quid and that should include all the fittings on the display item.

As you can imagine.....I aim to rip the lot out every 5-7 years depending on wear and tear.

unless you're like my sister - 12k on a kitchen. 9k on a bathroom. 12.5k on double glazing... she got 'sold' a conservatory on top of the DG!!!! I did tell her she could have got an extension built for that.

But what do I know <_<

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Consa, the GSH costs, does that include the boiler and radiators in the rooms?

Yes, boiler costs approx 600-800 or there are obviously dearer ones

If it was a semi detached I would go for 2500-3000 range

Ensure you get some heat loss calculations from the plumber and get the correct size and output for the radiators in correlation to room sizes.

We are not posh, so we'll be getting the cheapest possible! Does £5K sound about right for a kitchen? Again, not posh and no integrated appliances. Cheers!

5K is too much, aim for 2.5K and if it gets to 3K that should do it for a nice one, not posh but "woman happy". (shop around) I say woman happy cos this is the thing that will sell a house to them and if the woman is happy she will convince her feeble man to buy it, or the "exclusion zone" will go up. :lol:

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Ensure you get some heat loss calculations from the plumber and get the correct size and output for the radiators in correlation to room sizes.

This is VERY importyant. Otherwise you'll either freeze or have a system which cycles excessively and wears out quickly as a result.

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WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!

Don't be the bear that capitulates at the death of the boom, surely if you put a 'cheeky' offer in and it gets accepted it should give you heart that prices are dropping. I can understand the frustration, but what do you believe buying will give you that renting cannot provide? If your flat is too small then move to a bigger one! If you can afford a mortgage on 3 bed detached (even in a bad state of repair), then the rental on a flat big enough for your needs should also be within your reach.

Perhaps the market is different where you live but in my experience (bristol) the explosion of btl (particularly for flats) has reduced rental yields to the point where the monthly rent I am paying is around 85% of an interest only mortgage on the property - even if you don't believe prices will fall you are saving money hand over fist by doing this.

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