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52% Of Americans Say Iraq War "not Worth It"

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/11/iraq.poll/index.html

Americans overwhelmingly lack confidence that Iraq will have a stable government in place within the next year, and more than half say that the war has not been worth its cost, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Wednesday.

Will they have any stomach for a war with Iran?

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Iraq is a mess, I cannot see how it will ever be sorted out.

To take on Iran is going to really tip the balance and set the worlds different peoples even further apart.

To be Frank Tony Blair and George Bush have set the worlds race relations back 60yrs in just a matter of a couple of years.

Why on earth it has taken people so long to realise that the Iraq war was about anything other than WMD's just astounds me!!!.

If there is a single person on this planet today that actually now believes that Saddam was involved in Sept 11th as peddled by Bush/Blair then we really have lost the plot. As for WMD's well its incredible that Blair played these lies for a couple of years before finally handing in the towel and getting away with what is without doubt a war crime of grave proportions.

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The British Public had their chance to give Blair a Bloody nose in the last election, and they fluffed it.

Blair has interpreted his new term as the green light to go forth and do WTF he likes across the world.

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"The British Public had their chance to give Blair a Bloody nose in the last election, and they fluffed it."

Totally true.

Everyone I know (except my Mum :rolleyes: ) will say that the Iraq war was about controlling oil supplies and yet Labour got back in...

Not sure if this says more about the choice of opposition to vote for or how brainwashed a large percentage of the population are?

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Yes Labour's spinmeisters are certainly very good at what they do.

Will the Iran war be this year though? Has the UK got enough soldiers?

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52% Of Americans Say Iraq War "not Worth It" compared to...

1. Previous Wars

2. Are they going to ask for their money back?

3. Can they part-ex or get a voucher instead?

4. 92% of Americans cannot believe it is not butter!

The reason people are not firing automatic weapons in downtown LA, Detroit or Crab Apple Cove is because they are firing them in... Oh, hang on a moment...

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No!

Something I find interesting, this is the only place where I hear about Iran selling oil in Euros. Granted I don't wath that much news, but...

Strangely enough there was a programme about it on Sky One the other day.

Sky One is not a channel where you would expect to hear the phrase 'Petrodollar hegemony'.

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Strangely enough there was a programme about it on Sky One the other day.

Sky One is not a channel where you would expect to hear the phrase 'Petrodollar hegemony'.

Iran has huge deals to sell gas and LNG to India and China.

It has no deals with Europe until 2010 when it will ship a paltry amount of LNG to Italy.

The UK - and the other allies need that LNG badly.

Iran will not even trade with the UK which is under an Iranian trade embargo.

The UK has built 3 very large LNG terminals one of which - at the Isle of Grain - is finished but idle.

The LNG simply isnt there at the moment. Two more terminals will be finished by 2007.

The "allies" as Blair calls them will refer Iran to the UN for sanctions.

The sanctions will attempt to force Iran to sell its LNG to the UK and the other allies at rock bottom prices.

Well below market values.

Iran may even be given surplus EU food in exchange for the LNG meaning they will get the LNG for less than nothing.

Iran will oppose this and try and honour its deals with India and China.

Its tankers will either be intercepted or simply a naval blockade by the allies will be put in place

preventing the LNG reaching India and China.

Under the new sanctions regime India and China will still get LNG but only a fraction of what Iran had agreed.

The contracts with India and China will effectively be ripped up by the UN.

ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE.

ENJOY.

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Iran has huge deals to sell gas and LNG to India and China.

The contracts with India and China will effectively be ripped up by the UN.

ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE.

ENJOY.

Talking about India - everyone seems to forget how volatile Pakistan is.

And they already have the bomb (+ knowledge)!

"U.S. Appears to be Losing Track of Pakistan's Nuclear Program"

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If there is a single person on this planet today that actually now believes that Saddam was involved in Sept 11th as peddled by Bush/Blair then we really have lost the plot.

Bush/Blair never said Saddam had anything to do with Sept 11th. We went to Afghanistan over Sept 11th, Iraq was WMD. The two are in no way related and there was never any claim that they were related. Many morons assumed they were related cos they couldn't get their heads around fighting two different wars at the same time. And the media did nothing to put anyone straight.

MattLG

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Bush/Blair never said Saddam had anything to do with Sept 11th. We went to Afghanistan over Sept 11th, Iraq was WMD. The two are in no way related and there was never any claim that they were related.

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank

Washington Post Staff Writers

Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

In point of fact Mark I think you will find that Dick Cheney in particular made repeated attempts to link 9/11 with Iraq. This was done both explicitly and implicitly. Google the words "Bush, Saddam, 9/11" and you will find the whole controversy. The inquiry into the war found that there was no evidence whatsoever for the claims and Bush was forced to distance himself from them.

When you see American soldiers interviewed they always say things like "We are here because we were attacked" Again making reference to 9/11. Cheney and Bush knew there was no link, but they talked it up as a way of motivating people to fight. On the other hand, Blair never went as far, partly I suspect because he know the British public would not buy it.

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Bush/Blair never said Saddam had anything to do with Sept 11th. We went to Afghanistan over Sept 11th, Iraq was WMD. The two are in no way related and there was never any claim that they were related. Many morons assumed they were related cos they couldn't get their heads around fighting two different wars at the same time. And the media did nothing to put anyone straight.

MattLG

CS Monitor

March 14, 2003

WASHINGTON – In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 eight times. He referred to Saddam Hussein many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11.

Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to reinforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was "personally involved" in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0314/p02s01-woiq.html

BBC News

17 June, 2004

President George W Bush has disputed findings by a commission investigating the 9/11 attacks that there was no link between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3816699.stm

CNN

June 29, 2005

(CNN) -- Critics of the U.S. war in Iraq have condemned President George W. Bush for attempting to link the insurgency there with the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington

etc etc etc

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52% Of Americans Say Iraq War "not Worth It"

look at it glass half full

48% of Americans ready to go to Iraq to kill :angry:

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"Democracy" or Non Democracy, it matters not what populations think.

If Leaders want war, war it will be.

It was ever thus.

Perhaps these days the propaganda machine has to be pedalled a bit harder.

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It doesn't matter what the Americans do. If Israel think they are at risk they will quite happily act unilateraly. A lot of of the sites are deep inderground and can't be tackled with "bunker busters". Don't be at all suprised to see an attack from the US or Israel using small tactical nukes - also removing the need for ground troops. Thats when the proverbial will really hit the fan......

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Truthfully we are living in the olden days of pirates and evil empires and we've never left them. It's a thin veneer, modern life ...

Go on cheer us all up!

Problem is that's the simple truth.

Too early for the bottle?

:)

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The British Public had their chance to give Blair a Bloody nose in the last election, and they fluffed it.

78% of voters didn't vote for NuLab: that would have been a pretty darn bloody nose if it wasn't for our corrupt electoral system.

How can 'The British Public' vote Blair out when he only needs 22% of the votes to win a majority in Parliament?

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Bush/Blair never said Saddam had anything to do with Sept 11th. We went to Afghanistan over Sept 11th, Iraq was WMD. The two are in no way related and there was never any claim that they were related. Many morons assumed they were related cos they couldn't get their heads around fighting two different wars at the same time. And the media did nothing to put anyone straight.

MattLG

This is an example of how Spin has worked in this country.

The Cheney speeches on "Common Cause" forging a "clear link" betwen Iraq and Al-Qaeda, along with all the efforts US went to to Link Sept 11th with Iraq are almost forgotten thanks to clever spin and people with VERY short memories.

I've heard politicians explaining now that the war was all about regime change. They of course never said that before the war as that would be illegal. How long before people start saying it was never said to be about WMD either? (not that I suspect it actually was btw)

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Iraq is a mess, I cannot see how it will ever be sorted out.

To take on Iran is going to really tip the balance and set the worlds different peoples even further apart.

To be Frank Tony Blair and George Bush have set the worlds race relations back 60yrs in just a matter of a couple of years.

Why on earth it has taken people so long to realise that the Iraq war was about anything other than WMD's just astounds me!!!.

If there is a single person on this planet today that actually now believes that Saddam was involved in Sept 11th as peddled by Bush/Blair then we really have lost the plot. As for WMD's well its incredible that Blair played these lies for a couple of years before finally handing in the towel and getting away with what is without doubt a war crime of grave proportions.

I thought WTC (and Madrid, London, Turkey, Casablanca, Jerusalem and thousands of other Muslim bomb attacks on civilians) have set the World's race relations back a bit...

Yay, "Liberals" for a nuclear armed Iran-you know it makes sense!

:lol:

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I wouldn't be at all suprised if there were WMD in Iraq. However you can guarantee they were probably over the border to Syria before the first air strikes.

You can't say you are going to war over WMD and then changre your mind however. The idea that the countries that should be leading the world would act in such a way is appalling. If action of this kind is ever undertaken, it should be under UN sanction. Some people seem to have forgotten their history and forget what the UN is for.

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If you want to examine parallel lines . . . . .

The number '33' is of paramount importance and is used by occultists, Masons, Satanists, in the Bible etc.

(Watch out for symbols incorporating this number - LIVE 8???)

Masons/New World order - are obsessed with the 33rd Parallel (encircling the Globe)

Baghdad(Iraq), Damascus(Syria), Esfahan (Iran) all fall around the 33rd Parallel!!

My money is on 3rd World War (think Kirsty 33 The 3L's Location, Location, Location :o ) starting in Damascus, colloquially ash-Sham (Typical Masonic 'play-on word' A SHAM!)

Damascus is considered to be the oldest continually inhabited city in the world - located at 33°30' North - 133 miles North of Jerusalem!

Look and Learn (2L's :P )

Iran is a smokescreen :ph34r:

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I wouldn't be at all suprised if there were WMD in Iraq.

There were WMD's in Iraq. The US made it possible and the weapons were used on the Kurds and on Iran.

Democracy is a farce anyway. Remember that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. So was Saddam (come on George he won the same way you did).

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I wouldn't be at all suprised if there were WMD in Iraq. However you can guarantee they were probably over the border to Syria before the first air strikes.

You can't say you are going to war over WMD and then changre your mind however. The idea that the countries that should be leading the world would act in such a way is appalling. If action of this kind is ever undertaken, it should be under UN sanction. Some people seem to have forgotten their history and forget what the UN is for.

That is the story, that ncb weapons went in a fleet of "ambulances" over the border to Syria. Never saw any evidence of course, but then if it was provable it would have been actioned by now...

Personally, I think the likelihood was exagerated. I would happily see the coalition pull out of Iraq except for Kurdistan which deserves to be defended and has a future as a homogenous state) as the main beneficiaries of the war seem to been Iran anyway.

There is surely much less doubt of Iran's intentions. It does not have to mean full scale war though-they can sort out their own regime change and democracy this time-but just a destruction from the air of the nuclear sites.

There were WMD's in Iraq. The US made it possible and the weapons were used on the Kurds and on Iran.

Democracy is a farce anyway. Remember that Adolf Hitler was democratically elected. So was Saddam (come on George he won the same way you did).

Saddam came to power in a Baathist coup-why do you think he was elected in some way? Are you George Galloway?

Hitler was elected but your implication is scrap denmocracy because it failed on that occasion. Is that really what you mean and what is your proposed alternative?

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