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http://www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/caroline-lucas-bill

On Wednesday 20th July, Caroline Lucas - Green Party MP for Brighton Pavilion - will put before Parliament a Ten Minute Rule Bill to introduce Proportional Representation for UK General Elections.

PR voting is hugely different to the AV voting that the UK opted no to in a referendum... Apparently.

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There was a petition about it. The official response was that apparently the AV referendum result indicated that people are perfectly happy with FPTP so there's no need to even look at the issue again. Why they bother coming up with such stupid conclusions that fool nobody...

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FPTP is the main reason that the Tories are 100% in control, and that Labour will survive at all as a major party - but not as big as the Tories. So it suits both to keep FPTP and that's why it will stay that way. I can see why the Greens want PR though - it's brought them political power as a coalition party in many EU countries. Although the Greens commonly seem to have been infiltrated by special interest groups.

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PR voting is hugely different to the AV voting that the UK opted no to in a referendum... Apparently.

It is.

The AV system proposed would just have put a post (50%) into first past the post. PR is proportional.

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So would it benefit UKIP too?

It would mean that we'd end up with new parties.

In a FPTP system you need big-tent parties to win enough constituencies so you need to get 40-ish% in enough places but with PR you need 50% in total and it doesn't matter where the votes come from so you tend to get ideological parties who then form a coalition in order to form a government.

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It would mean that we'd end up with new parties.

In a FPTP system you need big-tent parties to win enough constituencies so you need to get 40-ish% in enough places but with PR you need 50% in total and it doesn't matter where the votes come from so you tend to get ideological parties who then form a coalition in order to form a government.

Excellent point about FPTP creating the need for Big Tent parties.

I think the reality is that FPTP just means a virtual coalition is formed by the party in its tent before the election rather than after it. Labour would almost certainly split into two parties under PR and the Tories might well do the same.

One of the advantages of FPTP is that you normally get to see the sort of 'coalition' policies you are voting for in advance rather than having it constructed after the event by politicians. The disadvantage is that FPTP governments normally lack true democratic mandates since they normally are the choice of less than 50% of the voters unlike under PR where the government would need the votes of MPs chosen by more than half the electorate.

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http://www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/caroline-lucas-bill

On Wednesday 20th July, Caroline Lucas - Green Party MP for Brighton Pavilion - will put before Parliament a Ten Minute Rule Bill to introduce Proportional Representation for UK General Elections.

PR voting is hugely different to the AV voting that the UK opted no to in a referendum... Apparently.

The words "snoWball" and "hell" spring to mind.

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FPTP is better than PR anyway, and the recent Brexit referendum has only reaffirmed my thinking.

Good luck having what happened here happen somewhere like Sweden. A cordon sanitaire would simply keep the dissenters out of power unless they managed to get 51% of the vote. Over here, a mere 15% of the vote was required before the dissenters had to have bones thrown their way.

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FPTP is better than PR anyway, and the recent Brexit referendum has only reaffirmed my thinking.

Yes, absolutely dreadful when you actually have democracy isn't it?

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