Goat Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Just curious, after 7 years, what everyone expects them to conclude. My guess is probably a whitewash with some minor criticism of some of the key players but nothing they'll get too worked up about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpectrumFX Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 In the civil service enquiry and whitewash are synonyms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Whitewash, maybe a token slap on the wrist for His Toniness. Just look at what happened with Hilary re FBI a few hours ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyguy Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Both Id guess. Someone needs to carry the can. Someones going to get sued. Hope its that c.nt Blair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I'd go with Scapegoating...only problem is, where are we going to find us a goat? P I so want it to be Alistair Campbell - with a G4S meatwagon outside his home and the satnav set for The Hague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I expect that Mavis Higgins who temped for two weeks as a filing clerk at the MOD while Tony Blair was PM will be found entirely responsible and completely to blame for the entire Iraq war debacle. Remember you read it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossybabe Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I'm concerned that Bliar will get off Scot free and some poor squaddies will get prosecuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 I so want it to be Alistair Campbell - with a 4QS meat wagon wagon outside his home with the satnav set for The Hague Sadly Campbell reportedly wasn't included in the Maxwellisation process and hence isn't in line for criticism, hence my fear that the whole thing is going to be a whitewash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Some people supplied info that was wrong and Blair made decisions based on that info and is not really to blame. No one else to blame, no one has lost their job (soldier's lives don't count) or pension, no one of note named or shamed. Lessons learned etc etc nothing to be gained by any form of legal action. Multiple millions well spent (well according to Chilcott's bank account). Let us not forget that Cameron & Obama then went on to operate an equally unjustified and unnecessary clusterf*ck in Libya. So there is absolutely no chance whatsoever of Blair being held responsible for anything serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I'm concerned that Bliar will get off Scot free and some poor squaddies will get prosecuted. Blair is typical of slopey shouldered management that you find in all areas of British society. All blame gets pushed down the chain to those who are least responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Some people supplied info that was wrong and Blair made decisions based on that info and is not really to blame. No one else to blame, no one has lost their job (soldier's lives don't count) or pension, no one of note named or shamed. Lessons learned etc etc nothing to be gained by any form of legal action. Multiple millions well spent (well according to Chilcott's bank account). Probably that David Kelly who was then so overcome with remorse later that he topped himself with a blunt pen knife after going for a walk in the woods. And if you believe that story I also have a bridge in Brooklyn you may be interested in buying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko2010 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 If it's a whitewash will Corbyn resign though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitevanman Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Lessons have been learnt. It's time to move forward (onto the next bankster induced crime against humanity.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 The report is guaranteed to be massive, written in an unreadable prose style, packed with a welter of irrelevant details, full of ambiguities and hedged around with a million caveats in order to guarantee that no one but a masochist will want read it from start to finish. Everyone will be found to be at fault to some extent but not in a way that would render them culpable in a criminal or civil court. In fact blaming everyone will essentially be the same as blaming no one since ultimately it will have the same effect. As a result the political establishment in power when the Iraq war broke out will be effectively exonerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 The report is guaranteed to be massive, written in an unreadable prose style, packed with a welter of irrelevant details, full of ambiguities and hedged around with a million caveats in order to guarantee that no one but a masochist will want read it from start to finish. That's why it'll have an executive summary, which is the important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 Savile. Obvious choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormymonday_2011 Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 That's why it'll have an executive summary, which is the important part. That will say everyone is equally too blame which in its way is a more effective whitewash than blaming no one. While all involved try to shift responsibility for their role on their advisers Tony Blair will exit stage right with his ill gotten loot scot free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porca misèria Posted July 5, 2016 Share Posted July 5, 2016 I just blogged in anticipation of it.The Chilcot report is due tomorrow. I don’t expect to read it, so like most of us I’ll hear what the media see fit to report from it. They’ve already been telling us it’s likely to disappoint anyone expecting it to blame The Liar. That would fall outside its terms of reference, so any finger pointed at him is likely to be of a secondary and probably tangential nature. There’s also a suggestion floating around that the current Labour leadership crisis has something to do with it: the Party wanted a more compliant (interim) leader than Corbyn in place to respond to Chilcot. With the passage of time and the principal warmongers no longer in post, this probably means there’ll be little appetite for further investigation, and The Liar will be off the hook, facing no more than criticism at a level he’s well-equipped to brush off. A dismal contrast to the vigorous pursuit of much lower-level perpetrators of Bad Things in pre-1945 Germany, up to 70 years on from their crimes. This may be a lot more than a mere injustice. We’ve not merely made a horrendous mess of Iraq, but also destabilised the region, pretending all the while that we were the Good Guys. No wonder there’s the hatred and despair that’s led to the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant! A token of contrition and act of justice – like putting The Liar on trial – might be the last opportunity in a generation to defuse that justified resentment and make a start on winning back “hearts and minds”, so that the Islamic State is not succeeded by something yet more brutal arising out of the same sense of grievance and monstrous injustice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Well, my opinion is "whitewash", and I see I am not the only one with that opinion. It's a bit bonkers when the courts are still trying to prosecute the oldest living Nazis for something they did 70 odd years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interestrateripoff Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Both Id guess. Someone needs to carry the can. Someones going to get sued. Hope its that c.nt Blair. Ideally they will be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko2010 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 So far, nothing of interest. How much did he pocket out of this again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted July 6, 2016 Author Share Posted July 6, 2016 First impression, based on press conference: whitewash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo Loo Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 So far, nothing of interest. How much did he pocket out of this again? terms of reference my dear boy....this was never going to be a trial of individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 One sneaky tactic that's often deployed is giving different parts of the state different names then implying a case of left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Typical example being the Police blamimg the CPS when, in reality, it's simply the case of a lack of political will to pursue the case. Another one is corporation's offshore tax arrangements which are blamed on the incompetence of HMRC when, in reality, they have the tacit approval of central government. Similarly The Home Office, and Border Control, being blamed for and influx of migrants when, in reality, it is a deliberate government policy to encourage migrants here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Mother of Solider Killed in Iraq: 'I Blame Blair for My Son's Death' http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160706/1042487672/chilcot-iraq-blair-war.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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