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On 25/09/2020 at 15:15, iamnumerate said:

I had family in Venezuela so I was quite unhappy that the lecturer's union said stuff like

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  1. the significant social progress made in Venezuela since the election of Chavez-led governments in 1998;
  2. the expansion of educational opportunities at the primary, secondary and tertiary levels;
  3. the increased participation in higher education programmes, through the establishment of new universities, decentralised 'community universities' and scholarships for low-income students."

despite the fact that people have been starving there.  I know that they said this in 2012 but even in 2007 there was shortages of milk.

https://www.ucu.org.uk/article/6113/Business-of-the-strategy-and-finance-committee#46

 

Saying that I do agree with about marketisation - but I think the unions support of loony left views like this is, has really damaged the good things they do.

Without going off-track, I hope you also are aware of what happens to oil rich countries that deny America any influence...

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https://www.lettingagenttoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2020/9/a-harsh-lesson--student-lettings-sector-in-london-to-take-24-hit

 

  • A huge degree of pain - London student lettings sector to take 24% hit

Lolz... unlucky etc.

P.s. like I/others have said,reason they were so desperate to get students back on campus is "purely" so the student scumlords and halls of residence owners get their money. (Let's not forget it's of universities own lots of student halls too). 

Most courses could have been done online and ironically now it looks like they will have to do it online from their halls/student houses. 

Morons. Can't they see the whole university fees/university accommodation game is about profit/greed? 

There was no way they would have encouraged deferrals.

Steady now. Any mass movement will be labelled by the eccentrics  that normally get coverage. Shambles

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What is the point now of going to a different part of the country to a university to learn, meet others and to socialise, make new friends and contacts, when then told there is a lockdown, no socialising, no pubs, no clubs, zoom lessons alone in room and three hours of covid secure lectures a week......lonely, isolated and away from home, knowing nobody........fees and rent to pay for with debt, a huge mental health  risk looming.......freshers this year is not fresh.  ;)

Storm in a teacup.  Be all over by Christmas.

 

lol

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Non-sequitur.

It's an association not a deduction. Do you think countries that pay more tax generally get worse public services? For example? France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands?! 

How are we to get more and better services paying less? Look around you - after austerity our public services are shambolic and collapsing. 

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It is surely possible to stay out of foreign politics.  For that matter any UK politics not related to higher education.

I don't think HS2 is a good thing but I wouldn't expect an education union to campaign against it.

 

The difference between Chavez and white supremacists is that white supremacists make life horrible for other races - Chavez made life horrible for most people in Venezuela.

On the plus side he did solve obesity - apart from himself and other politicians.

White supremacists go around proclaiming white supremacy. Did Chavez go around proclaiming "terrorism"?

Unions can't be divorced from what their membership want, and members tend to be politically engaged. There is disquiet, for example, if the Union does not make statements about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Hence the several motions to boycott Israeli universities at UCU congresses. Just an example.

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23 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

It's an association not a deduction. Do you think countries that pay more tax generally get worse public services? For example? France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands?! 

I don't think it is related to how much tax they pay. Do you believe the more money the government throws at something, the better that thing is?

25 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

How are we to get more and better services paying less?

Privatisation, and not the crony capitalist half arsed version we have with the rails today.

25 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

Look around you - after austerity our public services are shambolic and collapsing. 

Have they ever not been shambolic and collapsing?

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15 minutes ago, nickb1 said:

White supremacists go around proclaiming white supremacy. Did Chavez go around proclaiming "terrorism"?

Unions can't be divorced from what their membership want, and members tend to be politically engaged. There is disquiet, for example, if the Union does not make statements about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Hence the several motions to boycott Israeli universities at UCU congresses. Just an example.

He did support the FARC and ELN and provided them with territory.

https://www.insightcrime.org/venezuela-organized-crime-news/eln-in-venezuela/

 

I don't think most union members want this activity - just a few activists.  If unions in the UK had concentrated on their core activity and not controversial activity then they would probably have a lot more members today.

Personally I would never join a union because of their political activities - get rid of them and I join tomorrow!

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It's an association not a deduction. Do you think countries that pay more tax generally get worse public services? For example? France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands?! 

How are we to get more and better services paying less? Look around you - after austerity our public services are shambolic and collapsing. 

Many EU countries maintain excellent public services by running up debt, taxes are officially high in italy and greece with good public services but there still enormous tax evasion, hence rising deficit.

then there are natural reources, Norway has a tiny population and a vast amount of oil.

A better correlation is corruption levels, the reality is there is no point in having high taxes if people do not pay them or leave to avoid them, as France found out with its wealth tax.

 

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He did support the FARC and ELN and provided them with territory.

https://www.insightcrime.org/venezuela-organized-crime-news/eln-in-venezuela/

 

I don't think most union members want this activity - just a few activists.  If unions in the UK had concentrated on their core activity and not controversial activity then they would probably have a lot more members today.

Personally I would never join a union because of their political activities - get rid of them and I join tomorrow!

Essentially that is were i arrived at with the UCU.

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It's an association not a deduction. Do you think countries that pay more tax generally get worse public services? For example? France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands?! 

How are we to get more and better services paying less? Look around you - after austerity our public services are shambolic and collapsing. 

The problem is Tory voters don't want to pay taxes, because they don't like tax. But labour voters also don't want to pay taxes because they think only "richer" people should pay them.

My understanding is that in all those European countries everyone pays a lot more tax (even low earners), and thats how they get it. 

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The problem is Tory voters don't want to pay taxes, because they don't like tax. But labour voters also don't want to pay taxes because they think only "richer" people should pay them.

My understanding is that in all those European countries everyone pays a lot more tax (even low earners), and thats how they get it. 

Generally Labour voters earn through PAYE and have no choice but to pay Tax. They get p*ssed off when Tory voters use clever accounting to avoid tax then justify it using the 'it's legal and I only pay what I can get away with' argument

 

Northern European countries have a strong Social Contract - you pay in more and you are protected when you need it.  The UK would benefit from a a secondary, contributions based, welfare system (6 months higher Job Seekers / UC if you paid in for at least 5 years etc).  It was tried with SERPs, but the private pensions wailed because they couldn't compete.

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The problem is Tory voters don't want to pay taxes, because they don't like tax. But labour voters also don't want to pay taxes because they think only "richer" people should pay them.

My understanding is that in all those European countries everyone pays a lot more tax (even low earners), and thats how they get it. 

The UK is not some low tax, laissez faire country.

All Thatcher achieved as to stop UKGOV spend stop rising.

IIRC UKGOBV is spending ~50% of UK GDP at the mo. A sane person would question what that is being spent on.

The UK dream has always been (or was) - US level of taxation with European levels of public service.

The unspoken UK nightmare is US levels of public service with European levels of taxation.

 

 

 

 

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Generally Labour voters earn through PAYE and have no choice but to pay Tax. They get p*ssed off when Tory voters use clever accounting to avoid tax then justify it using the 'it's legal and I only pay what I can get away with' argument

 

Northern European countries have a strong Social Contract - you pay in more and you are protected when you need it.  The UK would benefit from a a secondary, contributions based, welfare system (6 months higher Job Seekers / UC if you paid in for at least 5 years etc).  It was tried with SERPs, but the private pensions wailed because they couldn't compete.

We have NICS.

No, the pension indsutry did not object to SERPS.

Back then, the pension industry was making the returns up, being mainly With profits based life cos.

 

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English universities must consider partial fee refunds, says regulator
OfS warns against blanket refusals as thousands of students locked down after Covid outbreaks

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/28/covid-english-universities-must-consider-partial-fee-refunds-says-regulator

 

Nooooo, not their precious fees! How will they pay their VC's £500k a year!??? These students are soooo selfish!

 

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English universities must consider partial fee refunds, says regulator
OfS warns against blanket refusals as thousands of students locked down after Covid outbreaks

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/28/covid-english-universities-must-consider-partial-fee-refunds-says-regulator

 

Nooooo, not their precious fees! How will they pay their VC's £500k a year!??? These students are soooo selfish!

 

if the teaching is online I don't know what they want a refund for. It actually takes far more time to generate an online lecture, than to do an old style turn up and talk for an hour in person thing. At least if you make a proper effort to make something useful (which most people I know are). Thats mainly because nothing exists yet though - presumably next year a lot of the stuff will be reused and hence the difference goes away. But right now it is a lot more work than usual to do it that way.

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It's an association not a deduction. Do you think countries that pay more tax generally get worse public services? For example? France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands?! 

How are we to get more and better services paying less? Look around you - after austerity our public services are shambolic and collapsing. 

I wouldn't mind paying lots of tax to get good public services.

I do object paying tax so others can live in housing I cannot afford.  I remember someone on benefits once telling me that she wouldn't live where I live. 

 

France is a very bad example - they pay lots of tax but lots of them come here so it is obviously not creating a country better to live in than the UK.  Or maybe they like our food or weather or cricket or rugby league?

The French are famous for thinking our food is better than theirs.  Or is it the reverse?

The best way for Labour to get in - with regarding to taxes - is to announce that they will keep the benefit cap.

The Tories did not win my vote - the other parties lost it!

 

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I wouldn't mind paying lots of tax to get good public services.

I do object paying tax so others can live in housing I cannot afford.  I remember someone on benefits once telling me that she wouldn't live where I live. 

 

France is a very bad example - they pay lots of tax but lots of them come here so it is obviously not creating a country better to live in than the UK. 

 

Its hard to start a business there, so I believe a lot come here for that reason. But its not because we have better public services, its despite the fact we have bad public services.

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Its hard to start a business there, so I believe a lot come here for that reason. But its not because we have better public services, its despite the fact we have bad public services.

Probably true but it does show that making public services better must not be done at the cost of harming other things.

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