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You don't think £535,000 is an obscene severence package for anybody?

Not necessarily if they can't work again because of stress-induced illness induced by the job, no.

University lecturers earn a hell of a lot less in the UK than they do elsewhere in Europe if that makes you happy. E.g. senior lecturer in Ireland would get around £90,000.  

And again you are playing around with figures I think. The DM figure seems to combine her salary in the last year and the severance package to make it look obscene.

How much does the owner of the daily mail earn? How much is his f*ing house worth? Oh, they haven't published that, speaking of hypocrisy.

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What is the point now of going to a different part of the country to a university to learn, meet others and to socialise, make new friends and contacts, when then told there is a lockdown, no socialising, no pubs, no clubs, zoom lessons alone in room and three hours of covid secure lectures a week......lonely, isolated and away from home, knowing nobody........fees and rent to pay for with debt, a huge mental health  risk looming.......freshers this year is not fresh.  ;)

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What is the point now of going to a different part of the country to a university to learn, meet others and to socialise, make new friends and contacts, when then told there is a lockdown, no socialising, no pubs, no clubs, zoom lessons alone in room and three hours of covid secure lectures a week......lonely, isolated and away from home, knowing nobody........fees and rent to pay for with debt, a huge mental health  risk looming.......freshers this year is not fresh.  ;)

I agree it sucks for them. But the unis don't have much choice to go down the route set by govt.. They get not to live with Mum and Dad for a year and concentrate on their studies. There is not yet a lockdown and I suppose there will be switches between lockdown and partial easing. For the moment there are face to face tutorials. Students can still meet and socialise it's just not the party scene it was.

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They have basically timed this lockdown to ensure that the Uni's get their money.

This is the next mess up of this COVID saga, prepare to hear hordes of parents up in arms over this.

How the hell do we go from Rishis Dishes in August to locking our young people up in September??

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27 minutes ago, Roman Roady said:

They have basically timed this lockdown to ensure that the Uni's get their money.

This is the next mess up of this COVID saga, prepare to hear hordes of parents up in arms over this.

How the hell do we go from Rishis Dishes in August to locking our young people up in September??

Covid-hit university students: 'Why have they sent us here?'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54292728

Yep...it's all about the money! Not sure if you've implied it but don't forget the halls of residence owners/student scumlords, they want their ill gotten mad gainz off the students too!

And I'm sure these scumbags will make it difficult to get money back off them too, just like when universities closed in March time.

It's "always" about money and greed... Teaching the countries young students? Yeah right. Fleecing the countries young students more like. If anyone thinks this isn't all about one big moneymaking scheme they are delusional IMO.

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Covid-hit university students: 'Why have they sent us here?'

Teaching the countries young students? Yeah right. Fleecing the countries young students more like. If anyone thinks this isn't all about one big moneymaking scheme they are delusional IMO.

They do both. The latter because successive governments of both stripes forced marketisation on the sector, opposed by the lecturer's union, if anyone else wants to have a go at union bashing.

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They do both. The latter because successive governments of both stripes forced marketisation on the sector, opposed by the lecturer's union, if anyone else wants to have a go at union bashing.

I had family in Venezuela so I was quite unhappy that the lecturer's union said stuff like

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  1. the significant social progress made in Venezuela since the election of Chavez-led governments in 1998;
  2. the expansion of educational opportunities at the primary, secondary and tertiary levels;
  3. the increased participation in higher education programmes, through the establishment of new universities, decentralised 'community universities' and scholarships for low-income students."

despite the fact that people have been starving there.  I know that they said this in 2012 but even in 2007 there was shortages of milk.

https://www.ucu.org.uk/article/6113/Business-of-the-strategy-and-finance-committee#46

 

Saying that I do agree with about marketisation - but I think the unions support of loony left views like this is, has really damaged the good things they do.

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I think the unions support of loony left views like this is, has really damaged the good things they do.

Whether or not one agrees with them (we can also question the role of the USA in bringing about these outcomes; I know Venezuelans over here who do), these statements have little effect compared to the core union activities. And sadly those have not been effective in the big picture policy arena.

 

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Whether or not one agrees with them (we can also question the role of the USA in bringing about these outcomes; I know Venezuelans over here who do), these statements have little effect compared to the core union activities.

True but would you support a union that spoke in favour of white supremacy - even if everything else was fine?

Supporting a man like Chavez who supported terrorism in Colombia is really awful.  Unions should just concentrate on their core activities.   

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Not necessarily if they can't work again because of stress-induced illness induced by the job, no.

University lecturers earn a hell of a lot less in the UK than they do elsewhere in Europe if that makes you happy. E.g. senior lecturer in Ireland would get around £90,000.  

And again you are playing around with figures I think. The DM figure seems to combine her salary in the last year and the severance package to make it look obscene.

How much does the owner of the daily mail earn? How much is his f*ing house worth? Oh, they haven't published that, speaking of hypocrisy.

Ireland is an outliner and they have higher taxation anyway. The UK is actually one of the better payers for academia, certainly compared to southern europe which is abysmal. However it is very difficult to compare like with like because "professor" is reserved for a certain level in the UK

https://www.eui.eu/ProgrammesAndFellowships/AcademicCareersObservatory/CareerComparisons/SalaryComparisons

Her severance pay is obscene, most universities are offering 9 months at the moment for VS, she got 3 years. Does suggest they really wanted rid of her mind you.

 

 

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Ireland is an outliner and they have higher taxation anyway. The UK is actually one of the better payers for academia, certainly compared to southern europe which is abysmal. However it is very difficult to compare like with like because "professor" is reserved for a certain level in the UK

https://www.eui.eu/ProgrammesAndFellowships/AcademicCareersObservatory/CareerComparisons/SalaryComparisons

Her severance pay is obscene, most universities are offering 9 months at the moment for VS, she got 3 years. Does suggest they really wanted rid of her mind you.

 

 

How does it compare to the EU median then? Even before we bring in Scandinavia. I'm guessing significantly less. Why bring taxation in? Countries that pay more tax get benefits from that tax in better public services.

Also your source is way outdated (2007). Unis just had a large pay rise then not quite making up for years of below inflation pay rises. After that guess what, pay was always behind inflation, a 20% cut since 2008.

How much severance pay is "obscene" if your health has been shot by the job? Certainly not obscene by CEO standards. And look at that terraced house (640k is the bubble) ...

[Postscript: looks plausible you are right about comparison with Southern Europe, still, need up to date figs.]

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True but would you support a union that spoke in favour of white supremacy - even if everything else was fine?

Supporting a man like Chavez who supported terrorism in Colombia is really awful.  Unions should just concentrate on their core activities.   

Don't know enough about Chavez and Colombia to say whether this is a sensible comparison sorry. Clearly the unions do not issue statements supporting terrorism, so to that extent, it isn't. But I do know there was a CIA coup to unseat him. Anyways, its not really possible for unions to stay out of politics. 

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Don't know enough about Chavez and Colombia to say whether this is a sensible comparison sorry. Clearly the unions do not issue statements supporting terrorism, so to that extent, it isn't. But I do know there was a CIA coup to unseat him. Anyways, its not really possible for unions to stay out of politics. 

It is surely possible to stay out of foreign politics.  For that matter any UK politics not related to higher education.

I don't think HS2 is a good thing but I wouldn't expect an education union to campaign against it.

 

The difference between Chavez and white supremacists is that white supremacists make life horrible for other races - Chavez made life horrible for most people in Venezuela.

On the plus side he did solve obesity - apart from himself and other politicians.

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Reminds me of the time I was behind some students in the local shop.

For some bizarre reason one of them decided to slag of Norfolk people as "uneducated" I presume it was Brexit or some other such subject.

I giggled a bit and he turned around and asked me what my problem was... I said I was local and he had not even graduated yet and many local people have been to university..... at which point the guy checking the shopping out revealed that he also was a graduate.

Is that Normal For Norfolk?

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Is that Normal For Norfolk?

I lived in Norwich in 1990's it was a bit "different". The national front were quite popular locally, but the so were the SWP. More evidence that the extreme left and right are closer than they like to believe.

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Since this University semester is getting off to such a good start with irate parents and isolated kids, what effect do we think this will all have on the rental sector in the Uni towns? What if the kids all just up sticks and go home and then the parents start legal action against the Unis? This cant be far off at the moment.

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Since this University semester is getting off to such a good start with irate parents and isolated kids, what effect do we think this will all have on the rental sector in the Uni towns? What if the kids all just up sticks and go home and then the parents start legal action against the Unis? This cant be far off at the moment.

Well, i am paying my daughter's rent even though she has gone back to live with her mother and work remotely. Divorced male guilt syndrome, there is a lot of it about.

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These kids have been taken from their homes and placed in solitary confinement...after they have paid their fees ofcourse. And I would wager that the Universities arent even lecturing face to face preferring to hide via online sessions. All this and no parties or socialising...how many will make it past Christmas???

 

The student lockdowns should make courses that still have vacancies harder to sell through clearing.

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Since this University semester is getting off to such a good start with irate parents and isolated kids, what effect do we think this will all have on the rental sector in the Uni towns? What if the kids all just up sticks and go home and then the parents start legal action against the Unis? This cant be far off at the moment.

The UEA has 3,500 overseas students out of 14k or so (25%)

Many of these are from China and in Norwich there are restaurants and cafes that cater to them.  They spend big bucks and go from university (where apparently they prefer upmarket halls rather than living off site) and spend loads in the city and shops.

Big problems ahead we have additionally had a few fugly grey carbuncle student residences built in the city which obviously look a bit mistimed now.

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One silver lining of Covid maybe, if it leads to people realising it not necessarily a good idea to send their 18 year old off to another town to pay £9k a year in fees (the fees are just the start) to study a subject that doesn't increase their income prospect's.

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https://www.lettingagenttoday.co.uk/breaking-news/2020/9/a-harsh-lesson--student-lettings-sector-in-london-to-take-24-hit

 

  • A huge degree of pain - London student lettings sector to take 24% hit

Lolz... unlucky etc.

P.s. like I/others have said,reason they were so desperate to get students back on campus is "purely" so the student scumlords and halls of residence owners get their money. (Let's not forget it's of universities own lots of student halls too). 

Most courses could have been done online and ironically now it looks like they will have to do it online from their halls/student houses. 

Morons. Can't they see the whole university fees/university accommodation game is about profit/greed? 

There was no way they would have encouraged deferrals.

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One silver lining of Covid maybe, if it leads to people realising it not necessarily a good idea to send their 18 year old off to another town to pay £9k a year in fees (the fees are just the start) to study a subject that doesn't increase their income prospect's.

But if they don't get a degree, they might end up working in Starbucks!

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On 25/09/2020 at 13:40, Roman Roady said:

They have basically timed this lockdown to ensure that the Uni's get their money.

This is the next mess up of this COVID saga, prepare to hear hordes of parents up in arms over this.

How the hell do we go from Rishis Dishes in August to locking our young people up in September??

This.

Unis calling the shots ******d the exams and forced the insane system for grading that was given. I mean we can move billions of pounds of football schedules for locdowns and Qatar WC but can't move exams or uni schedules?

 

Anyone else would simply have delayed the exams and moved the semester to January Start times but oh no, the moneymen and uni spivs need their cushy money

 

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