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I thought it might be nice to gather some good news together... well, relatively good news. Or neutral. Or only slightly pessimistic.

This podcast from Paul Krugman is interesting in its own right on the general state of the UK and the world. He almost sounds like the hpc voice of reason. And it's actually pretty unusual to hear foreigners who pretty much understood it all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/insider/paul-krugman-on-brexit-and-its-impact.html?smid=re-share&_r=0

Here's an article sort of suggesting that the uncertainty will be good for capitalism and growth

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/06/29/how-brexit-uncertainty-could-produce-a-british-boom/

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Thanks for all the above links.

Followed the link on Heatstreet to find 11 countries (up to 29/6) already gearing up:

While Brexit doom-mongers have been focussing on the challenges of keeping access to the EU’s single market (16% of global trade – less once we’re gone), they forget there is a world elsewhere.

Green shoots are already emerging, as other countries start to realise the possibilities of free trade deals with a newly-liberated Britain, less than a week after the referendum:

https://heatst.com/uk/11-countries-gearing-up-to-strike-trade-deals-with-britain/

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I thought it might be nice to gather some good news together... well, relatively good news. Or neutral. Or only slightly pessimistic.

This podcast from Paul Krugman is interesting in its own right on the general state of the UK and the world. He almost sounds like the hpc voice of reason. And it's actually pretty unusual to hear foreigners who pretty much understood it all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/insider/paul-krugman-on-brexit-and-its-impact.html?smid=re-share&_r=0

Here's an article sort of suggesting that the uncertainty will be good for capitalism and growth

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/06/29/how-brexit-uncertainty-could-produce-a-british-boom/

Thanks for sharing that, a great calmly delivered and entirely accurate piece by Krugman. First time I have totally agreed with him!

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They didn't let him or Steve Keen etc get on the media....

Roger Bootle was pitched against remainer economist Jonathan Portes on BBC World Service's World Business Report.

Bootle said to the interviewer, "I know you want us to disagree, but we don't", and they both showed cautious optimism for the future.

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Lexit - Left Exit. Making a progressive case for leaving the EU.

http://www.leftleave.org/

The Leave vote is above all else a rejection of the entire political establishment by millions of working class people who have been left to suffer austerity for decades with few defenders among the mainstream parties.

This is now a social crisis of the first order. Every institution of the British establishment backed Remain. The Tory party, despite professions of unity, is beginning an internal war. ‘It’s a hammer blow to Cameron’, reported the BBC this morning. Osborne is already talked of in the past tense.

This could have been a great Labour crusade if it had put itself at the head of this working class revolt but the Blairites forced Jeremy Corbyn to abandon his long held opposition to the EU.

This has left the right to claim a victory which is not in truth theirs. Nearly 17 million people voted Leave, but only 3.8 million voted UKIP at the last election. But it is up to the left to now put itself squarely at the centre of opposition to the Tories and the right.

If you don’t want the racists to be the face of today’s result, then don’t let them. There is a significant proportion of those who voted Leave that did so on the basis of opposing the austerity and the neoliberal order that has directly impacted their lives and is part and parcel of the EU. Don’t be so quick to paint millions of people with the same brush as Farage.

Many on the left voted Remain for understandable reasons in a very divisive referendum. It is now time to unite around the most elementary demands that millions of working people will readily support.

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That's absolutely brilliant! :lol:

On some more recent YouTube vids, he argues more against the Euro than the EU.

He fundamentally thinks that the EU is a good idea, (or at least the less bad idea), but the Euro has been a complete disaster. I'll see if I can find a link..

The thing is, the EU is the Euro and the Euro is the EU. The two can no longer be separated.

I'm sure if the Maastricht treaty hadn't happened, we wouldn't be here now. Then again, many other possible outcomes may have emerged, some better some worse. We can't wind the clock back...

Here you go..

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A radical proposal after Brexit: Remaking the EU on the same lines as the 9th century Carolingian Empire.

Big step back!

https://evonomics.com/a-radical-proposal-after-brexit/

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This is amazing, because that would have worked indeed. Only, I would exclude Rome's surroundings at the time being. North Italy and the Vatican are in. Everyone who has ever done a car trip through Europe knows what I am talking about. This truly is the core. Often you can hardly see that you have just crossed a border.

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Roger Bootle is very positive on brexit.

So am I...!

THIS is a victory and the disbelievers will see in 2 or so years time...

Actually while i post, the disbelievers should do some REAL research on why the elite want a EU federal superstate/world government. This has seriously PISSED on there fireworks! AND for the good of ALL...but the elites!

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So am I...!

THIS is a victory and the disbelievers will see in 2 or so years time...

Actually while i post, the disbelievers should do some REAL research on why the elite want a EU federal superstate/world government. This has seriously PISSED on there fireworks! AND for the good of ALL...but the elites!

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