Why Does The Bourgeois Left Hate The White Working Class So Much?

[StainlessSteelCat]

Basically, the liberal left fear the working class left.

[sPinwheel]

Because of the smell.

[Frank Hovis]

The trouble is that people make assumptions and think that just because no-one disagrees with them, then they must agree.

For instance, even on this Forum, it's OK to denigrate Thatcher, yet for many people, she was and still is very popular.

If we held a nationwide vote on the popularity of her, we could be in for a shock.

Same with Churchill.

Back in the 1960s, I was shocked to find that my Landlady really disliked him as did many of her generation.

yet today, it is assumed that he was universally liked.

Populist historians know that people like a simple message and a coherent story.

Margaret Thatcher was hugely popular across much of the country and remains so, but in some areas she was despised. It's easier to create a simplistic story of a loathed opportunist wrecking northern industry than to tell the detail and complexity of the time.

Churchill as you say is held up as universally loved, but the first election after the war he got kicked out. So not that loved then.

The problem is that people (and I include myself) like simple narratives in order to make sense of complex times and that comes with a price.

As I'm on here, and have been on here for a while, I would assume that any reasonable person would have thought that high house prices and rents were a bad thing as they prevent people in their twenties (and up) from having the decent living accommodation that was the norm without spending most of their monthly wages on it.

But no, many still think ever-increasing house prices is an unqualified good thing. Though they're generally not on here.

[sexton]

Because they used to throw stones at me the "grammar grub" on my way to and from the school bus stop.

[19 year mortgage 8itch]

I wonder if moving the (Manchester) Guardian from Manchester didn't help. Lost touch with their decent working class, self betterment roots.

Moving to Manchester didn't help the bbc.

[stormymonday_2011]

Moving to Manchester didn't help the bbc.

The most of Manchester a lot of BBC presenters see is the cab ride from the airport.

[ubuntu]

Moving to Manchester didn't help the bbc.

ahem Salford not Manchester.

[crashmonitor]

Because the left are our rulers and want to keep their troughs full and enslave the whites that fund them. All public monies to be creamed off by millionaire Cambridge academics, diversity officers and social workers whilst the self employed of Pendle, Blackpool and Manfield can f**k off like the white trash they are

[ubuntu]

I think George Orwell nailed it 75 years ago in his great essay 'The Lion and the Unicorn' in general terms his analysis still stands:

In England patriotism takes different forms in different classes, but it runs like a connecting thread through nearly all of them. Only the Europeanized intelligentsia are really immune to it... In the working class patriotism is profound, but it is unconscious. The working man’s heart does not leap when he sees a Union Jack. But the famous ‘insularity’ and ‘xenophobia’ of the English is far stronger in the working class than in the bourgeoisie. In all countries the poor are more national than the rich, but the English working class are outstanding in their abhorrence of foreign habits. Even when they are obliged to live abroad for years they refuse either to accustom themselves to foreign food or to learn foreign languages. Nearly every Englishman of working-class origin considers it effeminate to pronounce a foreign word correctly. During the war of 1914-18 the English working class were in contact with foreigners to an extent that is rarely possible. The sole result was that they brought back a hatred of all Europeans, except the Germans, whose courage they admired. In four years on French soil they did not even acquire a liking for wine. The insularity of the English, their refusal to take foreigners seriously, is a folly that has to be paid for very heavily from time to time. But it plays its part in the English mystique, and the intellectuals who have tried to break it down have generally done more harm than good. At bottom it is the same quality in the English character that repels the tourist and keeps out the invader.

England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.

[JoeDavola]

If one of my kids thought so little of me as to appear in something like this, I'd not be pleased:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36629073/what-now-after-brexit-divided-my-household

The assumption is that 22 year olds are far wiser than their parents. 22 years old. What the feck sort of life experience do you have at 22 years old.

[StainlessSteelCat]

If one of my kids thought so little of me as to appear in something like this, I'd not be pleased:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36629073/what-now-after-brexit-divided-my-household

The assumption is that 22 year olds are far wiser than their parents. 22 years old. What the feck sort of life experience do you have at 22 years old.

Reads like a daily mash article.

[JoeDavola]

Reads like a daily mash article.

Doesn't it? And that snarky smug look on her face is what I see all over the dating websites and is an indicator that someone's not worth contacting.

[JoeDavola]

Problem glasses, always a dead giveaway. Her 'arguments' amounted to nothing but shaming and fearmongering.

Anyone else find it hilarious when all these young 'uns go on about how 'scared' and 'upset' they are by the result? I've literally been laughing about some of these comments. What a bunch of babies, sorry, fully functional adults.

This is the thing, the silly little look on their faces and the general attitude is that of an adolescent. A 22 year old adolescent. Problem is, I've also met 32 year old adolescents with the same mindset.

[StainlessSteelCat]

Doesn't it? And that snarky smug look on her face is what I see all over the dating websites and is an indicator that someone's not worth contacting.

That look seems to be ubiquitous among the young 'uns nowadays. All of my nieces in south east Asia have endless pics of exactly the same pose - sometimes enhanced with a pout. I have to remind myself that I am not the target audience. But if I were a 20 something bloke, I'd be running a mile too.

Then I remind myself to thank [insert favourite deity] that social media never existed when I was that age.

[mooncat69]

My friend's daughters think people who voted Leave have been brainwashed and are stupid with no GCSEs.

[MrPin]

My friend's daughters think people who voted Leave have been brainwashed and are stupid with no GCSEs.

Do they get EU funding for this? I'm thick anyway.

[mooncat69]

One of my strongest memories from University is being told by my tutor that "we don't really know why that happens". It's the first time I realised there was a limit on our knowledge.

[19 year mortgage 8itch]

The most of Manchester a lot of BBC presenters see is the cab ride from the airport.

The point is Manchester had a strong remain vote.

[Guest TheBlueCat]

The point is Manchester had a strong remain vote.

That result was an interesting one. A proper analysis of the background would be good reading.

[EUBanana]

My friend's daughters think people who voted Leave have been brainwashed and are stupid with no GCSEs.

This was so rife on my facebook feed that I felt compelled to brave the backlash and 'come out' publicly as a leaver. When someone said "Nobody I know who has a university education voted Leave" that was it. I just had to set them straight.

[19 year mortgage 8itch]

That result was an interesting one. A proper analysis of the background would be good reading.

You'll love this

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/153-languages-being-spoken-in-manchester-699179

[Si1]

Because they can't control them

[Scunnered]

I'd be tempted to attribute it to the English class system. Or do we think it's an international phenomenon?

[Mrs Bear]

Actually it's the other way around.

The full of entitlement boomer generation (who voted for Brexit) hate the fact there were opportunities for youngsters to work and study in Europe..

I very much doubt that that entered any boomer's head. Or more than a very few heads.

Besides, I know of some who did work and study in Europe before we were fully in the EU as it is now. Inc a relative of Mr B's who took a degree at the Sorbonne and subsequently worked as a doctor in Paris.

[gibbon]

Because the working class don't agree with their view that we owe the world a living and a free council house soon as you step foot in the country. I'm self employed, don't earn a great deal most years, pay eye gorging market rents for a shitty little studio flat yet see people from all over the world step foot in this country with child and get instantly given something I'll probably never have, a decent house.

I instead get to piss most my money away on rent, council tax and ironically income tax so someone from half the world away gets housing benefit to live in London, the most expensive city in the world. This makes me a swivel eyed racist to the metropolitan left wing champagne socialists.