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1 minute ago, yelims said:

Yes it was euro gas remained remarkably stable against dollar while in same timeframe pound lost like 20% it’s value which is direct form of taxation on people holding pounds 

in another 20 years it be as weak as the rouble 

on the other hand we had high employment unlike most of the Euro zone. The uk at least has the option of printing its way out of trouble, much of the eurozone is becoming zombified.

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5 minutes ago, onlooker said:

And to act with proportionality. Something the EU has not done over this issue.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/fifth-of-all-eu-border-checks-happening-in-northern-ireland-40404848.html

This is not acting with proportionality.

Well if a certain Boris implemented what he agreed to these would not be needed

 

i am all for very slow  examination of any shipments from uk until the uk economy collapses or a uturn on stupidity of Tories occurs 

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2 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

on the other hand we had high employment unlike most of the Euro zone. The uk at least has the option of printing its way out of trouble, much of the eurozone is becoming zombified.

Ah so that’s why you have a world leading food bank network and kids who don’t get enough food

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2 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

Both Germany and France have similar food bank usage to the UK. nice try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_bank#France

 

Germany has lower u employment than uk and France is almost similar 

 

btw your link has this gem 

 

In 2013, the UK Government blocked a £22,000,000 European Union fund to help finance food banks in the UK

 

let them bodies pile up eh?

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2 minutes ago, yelims said:

Germany has lower u employment than uk and France is almost similar 

 

btw your link has this gem 

 

In 2013, the UK Government blocked a £22,000,000 European Union fund to help finance food banks in the UK

 

let them bodies pile up eh?

it blocked it because as the article says...

Food bank use in Germany and France is much higher than in the United Kingdom. In 2014, 1,500,000 people used food banks once a week in Germany.

 

The EU should send the money to the more deserving

 

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29 minutes ago, yelims said:

Yes it was euro gas remained remarkably stable against dollar while in same timeframe pound lost like 20% it’s value which is direct form of taxation on people holding pounds 

in another 20 years it be as weak as the rouble 

100 Kopeks to a Pound!!!

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9 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

it blocked it because as the article says...

Food bank use in Germany and France is much higher than in the United Kingdom. In 2014, 1,500,000 people used food banks once a week in Germany.

 

The EU should send the money to the more deserving

 

2014?

It's the trend of inequality you need to watch.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/12/19/soaring-food-bank-use-the-growing-reality-of-hunger-in-rich-countries-view

It would be interested to see the graph right now.

 

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21 hours ago, dugsbody said:

May I ask why you supported remaining in the EU? You don't seem to like Europe all that much and now seem ok with spreading the brexit lies, same as every other brexit liar.

I'm curious why you weren't a brexiter from the start?

Some toe the Tory party ine.

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14 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Instead of me going down a list, can you just engage with the hypothetical of a policy of fully leaving the EU but implemented by people from whom you don’t automatically recoil.

There's a problem, because only the maggots would have constructed Brexit and sold the lies behind it. Nobody else in their right mind would have bothered with such a daft distraction - if they were any good at all - they would have started to address the gaping holes that exist here. But that's hard work and doesn't generate money for their pockets. IOW, proles are a nuisance - so lets hand them a circus like Brexit. That should have 'em at each other's throats for a decade or two while we sell England by the pound.

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32 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Instead of me going down a list, can you just engage with the hypothetical of a policy of fully leaving the EU but implemented by people from whom you don’t automatically recoil.

Nope. Sorry.  Cannot compute. 😢 Not even hypothetically.  

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1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

Ah yes, sure - but one thing you can be assured of is the UK will soon be a world leader in food banks. Germany and France will still have many more viable businesses than we'll have.

 

 

Well we will not be paying out eg 400bn euros for pensions per annum as france does (£100bn in the uk). The EU social policies are governed by the bureaucratic statist policies of france, germany and italy (and others): the uk is vaguely liberal anglo saxon capitalist in outlook. Most of the EU  top brass do not like this, but then millions of the eu people move here to soak it up.

 

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1 hour ago, jonb2 said:

There's a problem, because only the maggots would have constructed Brexit and sold the lies behind it. Nobody else in their right mind would have bothered with such a daft distraction - if they were any good at all - they would have started to address the gaping holes that exist here. But that's hard work and doesn't generate money for their pockets. IOW, proles are a nuisance - so lets hand them a circus like Brexit. That should have 'em at each other's throats for a decade or two while we sell England by the pound.

There was always a legitimate constitutional argument against the EU on principle, and it wasn't only made by "maggots".

 

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12 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

There was always a legitimate constitutional argument against the EU on principle, and it wasn't only made by "maggots".

 

That question deserved and answer

why not ask people they want? You have to expound a reason why not

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3 hours ago, onlooker said:

And to act with proportionality. Something the EU has not done over this issue.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/brexit/fifth-of-all-eu-border-checks-happening-in-northern-ireland-40404848.html

This is not acting with proportionality.

These are checks within the UK, done by UK customs and vetinary staff, according to an agreement that the UK government proposed and agreed to...

Presumably if the story is true and 1/5 of "EU border checks" are being done in NI, that's because the amount of shipments going from UK to NI is 1/4 of the amount of shipments going into the EU from other 3rd countries? Or not? Its a meaninless statistic if we don't know that, and we can't say whetehr it is "proportionate" or not.

 

Personally I think that the UK Government was foolish to have signed up to such an agreement, but since it has signed up to the agreement, it has a legal and moral obligation to do all this.

A bit like how I think a middle of the road office worker is stupid to sign up to part ownership of an overpriced newbuild flat - but having signed up to it, they need to deal with the contract they agreed to, it and not go wailing to the newspapers looking for an easy "out".

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3 hours ago, thecrashingisles said:

Instead of me going down a list, can you just engage with the hypothetical of a policy of fully leaving the EU but implemented by people from whom you don’t automatically recoil.

The people - Farage, Putin etc are merely an external sign of what we’re dealing with. Asking what if Mother Theresa was advocating xenophobia or Minford economics , or was funded by shadowy interests doesn’t really help or make any sense. 

Firstly you have to come up with a hypothetical plan or policy that is worth the effort or doesn’t outright involve diminishing the UK.

Way back I used to ask the more sensible Brexiters which Brexit politicians were advocating a credible  Brexit and didn’t get very far.

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19 minutes ago, pig said:

The people - Farage, Putin etc are merely an external sign of what we’re dealing with. Asking what if Mother Theresa was advocating xenophobia or Minford economics , or was funded by shadowy interests doesn’t really help or make any sense. 

Firstly you have to come up with a hypothetical plan or policy that is worth the effort or doesn’t outright involve diminishing the UK.

Way back I used to ask the more sensible Brexiters which Brexit politicians were advocating a credible  Brexit and didn’t get very far.

If you start from the premise that Brexit is necessarily an expression of something inherently dark and negative then you can't really engage in the exercise, given that it depends on seeing Brexit in a completely different light.

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4 hours ago, erat_forte said:

Presumably if the story is true and 1/5 of "EU border checks" are being done in NI, that's because the amount of shipments going from UK to NI is 1/4 of the amount of shipments going into the EU from other 3rd countries? Or not? Its a meaninless statistic if we don't know that, and we can't say whetehr it is "proportionate" or not.

I think you know this must be nonsense.  The population of NI is less than 1.9m.  The EU population is 448m.

I forget the figure now, but I think there are more checks than in the port of Rotterdam.

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13 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

on the other hand we had high employment unlike most of the Euro zone. The uk at least has the option of printing its way out of trouble, much of the eurozone is becoming zombified.

In the long term you cannot print your way out of trouble: Wiemar Republic, Zimbabwe, Venzuwela etc.

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