steve99 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 10 hours ago, pig said: Miaaaaaaaooooow ! Boris Johnson 'a liar' who will blame Brexit costs on Covid, says diplomat Sylvie Bermann, former French ambassador, puts PM’s handling of pandemic alongside Donald Trump’s https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/24/boris-johnson-a-liar-who-will-seek-to-blame-brexit-costs-on-covid-says-diplomat Of course they will but also will give them more opportunity to fill some cronies pocket via one scheme or other. I do so hope that someone is able to unravel every penny spent on covid and Brexit and present it in a way the Daily Mail DHead in the street can understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wighty Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Here's a scenario to shoot down... EU rule that only those from UK that have been vaccinated can come into the EU. The vaccination must be on the approved list. Tough luck if it's AstraZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelims Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, steve99 said: Of course they will but also will give them more opportunity to fill some cronies pocket via one scheme or other. I do so hope that someone is able to unravel every penny spent on covid and Brexit and present it in a way the Daily Mail DHead in the street can understand. Like a red bus driven around the place? I think we learned in last 5 years that ignorance of politics, reality and manipulation by media for eyeball purposes is a danger to democracy, with the weaker democracies like UK (no constitution, no prstv, unlected monarch and upper house) not doing too well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 3 hours ago, debtlessmanc said: more on the anti-vaxx problems on the continent https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/24/eu-covid-vaccination-difficulties-anti-vaxxers astonishigingly high levels amongst health care workers! I had the first injection on Saturday and today is the first day I feel well again. I've had a stiff back and sides, been tired and woken up with cramp in the night. I know of two people (older than me) who were really quite unwell for a week. The second injection is meant to be worse and I'm not looking forward to it to be honest. I think these health care workers know all this and that is why they are wary. I can see that annual boosters are going to be a pain in the butt, unless you get used to it with multiple jabs over time. I'm not complaining though, I will have it done because its worth it for peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I find this thread a bit exhausting, and wish you all well... Dont think this has been posted? https://order-order.com/2021/02/24/germanys-largest-paper-dear-britain-we-envy-you/ "The front page of Bild, Germany’s best read newspaper, this morning was emblazoned with a large Union Jack and the words “Dear Britain, we envy you” written across it. Accompanying text read that “the English have announced their return to normality on June 21… and here there’s no hope”. The paper noted that a total of 17.7 million Brits have been jabbed, compared to just 3.4 million in Germany. Bild went on to say that as Boris announced the UK’s great relaxation plan to get things normal by June, Angela Merkel told the Bundestag “We cannot define away the fact that we now have a third wave.” Her Chancellery chief Helge Braun went on to add that in Germany “March, April and May” would be “difficult months”. (Wait till Germany get the next Brussels contribution bill!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, kzb said: I had the first injection on Saturday and today is the first day I feel well again. I've had a stiff back and sides, been tired and woken up with cramp in the night. I know of two people (older than me) who were really quite unwell for a week. Sorry to hear that. I had mine 2 weeks ago - no change really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, dryrot said: Sorry to hear that. I had mine 2 weeks ago - no change really. Do you mean you've had no illness, or that you are still not right after 2 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confusion of VIs Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 hours ago, kzb said: They have been after moving clearing into the Eurozone members for many years prior to Brexit. So there is nothing new in this, it is not enough to be an EU member, you also have to adopt the Euro. If we were still in the EU, they would nevertheless be demanding trade moved from London into the Eurozone. The point being that while the UK was in the EU they were powerless to do anything to incentivise the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said: The point being that while the UK was in the EU they were powerless to do anything to incentivise the move. Don't get the impression there was ever any incentivisation per se, unless you think new laws forcing the move is classed as an incentive. Edited February 24, 2021 by kzb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 46 minutes ago, dryrot said: I find this thread a bit exhausting, and wish you all well... Dont think this has been posted? https://order-order.com/2021/02/24/germanys-largest-paper-dear-britain-we-envy-you/ "The front page of Bild, Germany’s best read newspaper, this morning was emblazoned with a large Union Jack and the words “Dear Britain, we envy you” written across it. Accompanying text read that “the English have announced their return to normality on June 21… and here there’s no hope”. The paper noted that a total of 17.7 million Brits have been jabbed, compared to just 3.4 million in Germany. Bild went on to say that as Boris announced the UK’s great relaxation plan to get things normal by June, Angela Merkel told the Bundestag “We cannot define away the fact that we now have a third wave.” Her Chancellery chief Helge Braun went on to add that in Germany “March, April and May” would be “difficult months”. (Wait till Germany get the next Brussels contribution bill!) With headlines like that we might vaccinate them next ! I've got to say though, I looked at Worldometer and I don't see this third wave coming on the German plots. Perhaps they have more advanced data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, IMHAL said: ....it was all going to happen anyway....nothing to see here...move along. Anything bad that happens was going to happen anyway. Classic 😂 It happens to be true though. They have tried before to get euro clearing into the eurozone. Sooner or later they were bound to pass a law making this happen. Maybe the only thing holding it back was no-one wanted it, exposure to a trillion euros a day of risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, kzb said: It happens to be true though. They have tried before to get euro clearing into the eurozone. Sooner or later they were bound to pass a law making this happen. Maybe the only thing holding it back was no-one wanted it, exposure to a trillion euros a day of risk. ...everything is possible..but that does not mean it was probable or inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, kzb said: Do you mean you've had no illness, or that you are still not right after 2 weeks? No illness. No change. Still waiting for HPC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, dryrot said: I find this thread a bit exhausting, and wish you all well... Dont think this has been posted? https://order-order.com/2021/02/24/germanys-largest-paper-dear-britain-we-envy-you/ "The front page of Bild, Germany’s best read newspaper, this morning was emblazoned with a large Union Jack and the words “Dear Britain, we envy you” written across it. Accompanying text read that “the English have announced their return to normality on June 21… and here there’s no hope”. The paper noted that a total of 17.7 million Brits have been jabbed, compared to just 3.4 million in Germany. Bild went on to say that as Boris announced the UK’s great relaxation plan to get things normal by June, Angela Merkel told the Bundestag “We cannot define away the fact that we now have a third wave.” Her Chancellery chief Helge Braun went on to add that in Germany “March, April and May” would be “difficult months”. (Wait till Germany get the next Brussels contribution bill!) Bleah! Bild and Order Order. Its like Murdoch having sex with Farage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnylattej Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 14 hours ago, wighty said: Here's a scenario to shoot down... EU rule that only those from UK that have been vaccinated can come into the EU. The vaccination must be on the approved list. Tough luck if it's AstraZ Bu$$er, you might just have a point. Do you get a choice of vaccine? Or has my hope of an Autumn trip to Spain vanished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnylattej Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 10 hours ago, pig said: Bleah! Bild and Order Order. Its like Murdoch having sex with Farage. That made me feel ill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 15 hours ago, wighty said: Here's a scenario to shoot down... EU rule that only those from UK that have been vaccinated can come into the EU. The vaccination must be on the approved list. Tough luck if it's AstraZ Nah, the tourist industry makes too much money for this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 11 hours ago, dryrot said: No illness. No change. Still waiting for HPC... There's obviously a wide range in reactions. I fell asleep watching The Chase, dreamed I was watching The Chase with different contestants in it and I was wearing glasses (I don't wear specs to watch TV). I take this to mean Bill Gate's nanobots in the vaccine were reprogramming my brain into different realities. However I do wonder if vaccine fatigue will creep in for the booster injections, due to lots of people having side effects with their first vaccinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, kzb said: There's obviously a wide range in reactions. I fell asleep watching The Chase, dreamed I was watching The Chase with different contestants in it and I was wearing glasses (I don't wear specs to watch TV). I take this to mean Bill Gate's nanobots in the vaccine were reprogramming my brain into different realities. Interesting point. After the jab I did feel a semi-conscious prompt to place a deposit on a £300k 2-bed HTB newbuild flat in Luton. Perhaps that is TPTB's secret ingredient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryrot Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 11 hours ago, pig said: Bleah! Bild and Order Order. Its like Murdoch having sex with Farage. Thank you for that image. I will now go and get drunk. Bild has been called the "Blod-Zeitung" but its an interesting Schlagzeile, nevertheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megadebt Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Dismal popcorn veiwing on C4 news last night, a glum shellfish trader and leave voter bleating about 'not what we were promised'. Head. Bang. Table. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, but uk shellfish certainly voted leave. F@%k them, let them have their democracy and soverigns stuff 'innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drat Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 19 hours ago, kzb said: I had the first injection on Saturday and today is the first day I feel well again. I've had a stiff back and sides, been tired and woken up with cramp in the night. I know of two people (older than me) who were really quite unwell for a week. It is a sign that the vaccine is doing something, triggering an immune response. it might be uncomfortable but it is oddly a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, Drat said: It is a sign that the vaccine is doing something, triggering an immune response. it might be uncomfortable but it is oddly a good sign. I was wondering about this actually. Maybe the people who are not affected by the vaccine also do not get much immunity from it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kzb Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Megadebt said: Dismal popcorn veiwing on C4 news last night, a glum shellfish trader and leave voter bleating about 'not what we were promised'. Head. Bang. Table. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, but uk shellfish certainly voted leave. F@%k them, let them have their democracy and soverigns stuff 'innit. You can always rely on C4 News to give these stories the max that is for sure. In their EU contract it says they must uphold EU values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigantic Purple Slug Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 25 minutes ago, kzb said: I was wondering about this actually. Maybe the people who are not affected by the vaccine also do not get much immunity from it? The fact that the second dose appears to have worse reaction than the first seems to imply that people who have a more aggressive response to the first dose of the vaccine already have some protection, either natural or through exposure to covid. What that implies is if you have a non aggressive response to your first dose, then that will give you the most benefit - almost if the non aggressive response is your body "not noticing" the virus quickly, which in an actual covid exposure would lead to rapid replication and high viral load before your body starts to react to it. I think that holds up anyway. And implies that people who have a non aggressive response to the first dose benefit from it most. Feel free to tear this to pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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