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1 hour ago, onlyme2 said:

OK if they are the rules then certain european companies can disinvest themselves of their investments in the Uk transport system, power system, water and other utilities.

Only fair.

 

 

Sounds like a plan. 

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1409 pages....you guys should have your own forum !!!

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On 21/03/2017 at 2:09 PM, cashinmattress said:

Whatever.

You're something else buddy.

Since when was politics anything other than irrational?

Do you have any idea what the implication of the other three freedoms will have on you, your children, and your countrymen?

Brexit is ENTIRELY POLITICAL FFS!

Hence why so many people are p1ssed off, and the numbers are growing.

We're not staving off a natural disaster, pandemic, etc...

This is just about people angry at the status quo of Westminster... which is maddeningly conflated with EU.. over, and over, and over, and over... it's not Brussels making London houses £600k, or racking up your credit card, or crashing banks, Iraq war, politicians expenses & second houses, rich royals and gentry, sell off of British assets, and the whole litany of British problems.

Our UK.gov COULD have controlled immigration... but that would mean significant tax raises to cover more police, surveillance, technology, holding/detention centres, legislators, courts... the list goes on.

We didn't get it because we couldn't' afford to before. Do you really...I mean REALLY think this referendum is going to change any of that? You going to be happy to pay for that now? (answer is no)

And if you're so upset about purportedly economically inactive immigrants.. who's next? Burn the white trash on benefits in every council estate across the islands?

The arguments are for the most part devoid of any substance, fact, reasoning. Playing base instincts and grand-standing. I haven't seen a good one yet.

Several have been put forward on here, but don't stand up to scrutiny... and probably most would fail the most basic of fact checks.

Are you so blatantly ignorant of the UK, how it got there, and what it does now...ie: Britain was built on cheap labour, got rich on it, and stays that way because of it.

How much do you think the folk who built the phone/tablet/pc you're typing away on got paid?

 

Banker, immigrant and a factory worker sat around a table with 20 biscuits,

The banker takes 19 biscuits, promises his 'kipper chum a golden shower and so Farage tells the factory worker, don't let that immigrant steal your biscuit.

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Frail Martin McGuinness 'ignored dwindling health to DENOUNCE May's absent Brexit plan'

McGuiness was more concerned about the implications of Brexit than his failing health, weeks before his death. The former deputy first minister of Northern Ireland is said to have been frustrated at "the lack of leadership" shown by Theresa May’s Government and was furious that there was “no clear” Brexit plan. Express

 

One week to go, no plan and no clue what to do. Except of repeating hard Brexit.

 

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6 hours ago, onlyme2 said:

OK if they are the rules then certain european companies can disinvest themselves of their investments in the Uk transport system, power system, water and other utilities.

Only fair.

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

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35 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

Gives you an idea of the issues...

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86360

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86376

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From the moment the European Central Bank first announced plans to revive the eurozone economy with a mass bond-buying programme, financial markets have been bracing for trouble. First the focus was illiquidity and mispricing — now it is scarcity.


The mechanics of the ECB’s quantitative easing project means banks and investors believe the central bank cannot keep on buying €80bn of bonds a month as planned — or extend quantitative easing — unless it relaxes rules about what it can buy.

With the eurozone’s recovery proving relatively lacklustre, the ECB has vowed to continue QE at least until March and many economists expect it will be forced to prolong the programme beyond that date.
 

Source :- NO CRYSTAL BALL! F**kin' 'ell.

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23 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

One more issue that shows up the "walk away without a deal" option for the nonsense it is.

Fans of our high tech industries might also want to read this:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86415

 

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6 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

You certainly are confused. the are a whole plethora of rules regarding airline and aircraftsafety, not about where you have to base your organisations. This is a direct threat and spite from the EU to make things difficult for carriers who wish to domicile main activities in the UK. There are no civil aviation regulations regarding where your shareholder base needs to be.

 

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

As others have said, it's a non-story. BA's flights are not affected, it's a minor issue for Easyjet and not really an issue for Ryanair.

Anyway what happened to the EU Commission's intention to relax foreign ownership rules on airlines? A couple of years ago there was a proposal to relax the rules (49% max foreign ownership) as it was killing investment in failing EU airlines.

Hey, let them keep their rules and struggling airlines. I'm sure that they'll be able to conjure up the money for investment in their airlines in order to take advantage of the damage they want to inflict on UK airlines out of pure spite.

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3 hours ago, onlyme2 said:

You certainly are confused. the are a whole plethora of rules regarding airline and aircraftsafety, not about where you have to base your organisations. This is a direct threat and spite from the EU to make things difficult for carriers who wish to domicile main activities in the UK. There are no civil aviation regulations regarding where your shareholder base needs to be.

There are rules for EU states, rules EEA states and rules for third countries. We have decided we want to be a third country.  

If you actually read any of the background you would see just how complex the underlying/supporting international agreements are, and why there is little possibility of them being changed to suit the UK. 

As I said, you don't seem to get we have voted to leave the EU and as May has decided we will also leave the EEA we will be a third country with all that implies.

i do hope we are not going to get 2years of continual moaning from uninformed Leavers as the consequences of becoming a third country slowly sinks in.

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2 hours ago, the gardener said:

As others have said, it's a non-story. BA's flights are not affected, it's a minor issue for Easyjet and not really an issue for Ryanair.

Anyway what happened to the EU Commission's intention to relax foreign ownership rules on airlines? A couple of years ago there was a proposal to relax the rules (49% max foreign ownership) as it was killing investment in failing EU airlines.

Hey, let them keep their rules and struggling airlines. I'm sure that they'll be able to conjure up the money for investment in their airlines in order to take advantage of the damage they want to inflict on UK airlines out of pure spite.

 I refer you to my previous post. It is us doing this to ourselves not the EU. 

This is a relatively minor impact of leaving the EU and EEA, there will be many much more important issues to follow once A50 is invoked.

 

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2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

 I refer you to my previous post. It is us doing this to ourselves not the EU. 

This is a relatively minor impact of leaving the EU and EEA, there will be many much more important issues to follow once A50 is invoked.

 

I'll ask again. What happened to the planned EU relaxation of it's rules on foreign ownership which it decided was stilfling investment in EU based airlines? Have the EU now decided that to keep the rules as they are is a good idea after all, despite their extensive research into this aspect of EU regulations and conclusion that it damaged their airlines.

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12 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

Haven't done so yet. No deal, or even formal discussion is formalised (because it cant yet)...

Nothing is set in stone actually.

However, we're already paying for it, and its going to get much worse.

You seem to have the same blinkers on as most of this thread does.

Britain will be 'bargaining' by lowering tax rates and giving free passes to those who bring in capital via London, no matter how bent or unethical the punter.... not much else.

We have Yank nukes... umm... pies...Morris dancers?

What do we 'gain' as a country by leaving the EU.....

Please say 'sovereignty'.

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Oh yeah: 

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The airline rules are global agreements, (ie: not global, but being part of EEAA?)

You must have gleaned your 'fact' on one of the really indepth TV debates with your hero Farage? (that wasn't talking about muslims and 350 millions?)

http://www.airport-business.com/2016/10/brexit/

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2016/06/brexit-fallout-for-single-sky-remains-unclear/

http://www.iata.org/publications/economic-briefings/impact-of-brexit.pdf

 

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32 minutes ago, the gardener said:

I'll ask again. What happened to the planned EU relaxation of it's rules on foreign ownership which it decided was stilfling investment in EU based airlines? Have the EU now decided that to keep the rules as they are is a good idea after all, despite their extensive research into this aspect of EU regulations and conclusion that it damaged their airlines.

Why should I know or care, if you do I am sure a few minutes of Googling will give you the answer.

Oh I was wrong, it took a single search: https://www.ft.com/content/246e2500-9c0b-11e5-b45d-4812f209f861

It is still progressing subject to "if someone wants to play a role in the EU markets, they have to play by European rules.” I suspect we will be hearing that a lot more over the next two years.

 

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2 minutes ago, cashinmattress said:

Haven't do so yet. No deal, or even formal discussion is formalised (because it cant yet)...

Nothing is set in stone actually.

However, we're already paying for it, and its going to get much worse.

You seem to have the same blinkers on as most of this thread does.

Britain will be 'bargaining' by lowering tax rates and giving free passes to those who bring in capital via London, no matter how bent or unethical the punter.... not much else.

We have Yank nukes... umm... pies...Morris dancers?

What do we 'gain' as a country by leaving the EU.....

Please say 'sovereignty'.

...

Oh yeah: 

You must have gleaned your 'fact' on one of the really TV debates with your hero Farage? (that wasn't talking about muslims and 350 millions?)

http://www.airport-business.com/2016/10/brexit/

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2016/06/brexit-fallout-for-single-sky-remains-unclear/

http://www.iata.org/publications/economic-briefings/impact-of-brexit.pdf

 

If there was an Olympic gold medal for missing the point, you would be a strong contender for it.

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4 minutes ago, cashinmattress said:

Haven't done so yet. No deal, or even formal discussion is formalised (because it cant yet)...

Nothing is set in stone actually.

However, we're already paying for it, and its going to get much worse.

You seem to have the same blinkers on as most of this thread does.

Britain will be 'bargaining' by lowering tax rates and giving free passes to those who bring in capital via London, no matter how bent or unethical the punter.... not much else.

We have Yank nukes... umm... pies...Morris dancers?

What do we 'gain' as a country by leaving the EU.....

Please say 'sovereignty'.

...

Oh yeah: 

You must have gleaned your 'fact' on one of the really indepth TV debates with your hero Farage? (that wasn't talking about muslims and 350 millions?)

http://www.airport-business.com/2016/10/brexit/

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2016/06/brexit-fallout-for-single-sky-remains-unclear/

http://www.iata.org/publications/economic-briefings/impact-of-brexit.pdf

 

I think you missed his sardonicism

On being 'blinkered' it's more like theatre in that it's a 'wilful suspension of disbelief' or a self-administered gas-lighting as a means to remain immersed in fakery. Leaving the EU isn't our biggest problem,   it's the Brexiting from reality that's being our undoing.

I actually have sympathy for the calls for 'sovereignty'. Before the idiots exposed themselves, the referendum for me was about achieving a balance between retaining a 'devolved' national power allowing different cultures to carve out their destinies and an agreed overall international  framework that ultimately empowered and enabled individuals as much as nations. 

As it stands the result has ended up not in finding the ideal balance but losing both national and individual sovereignty. Not unlike how  across the pond they think bigger guns and bigger walls will give them bigger 'sovereignty'...

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1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

It is still progressing subject to "if someone wants to play a role in the EU markets, they have to play by European rules.” I suspect we will be hearing that a lot more over the next two years.

 

Pretty much. It's going to be interesting watching UK.gov try... and fail... repeatedly... to broker terms as beneficial to UK.gov as they are now... without ceding something we have now.

Popcorn at the ready.

Shame all us little people are  going to get trampled.

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1 hour ago, cashinmattress said:

Pretty much. It's going to be interesting watching UK.gov try... and fail... repeatedly... to broker terms as beneficial to UK.gov as they are now... without ceding something we have now.

Popcorn at the ready.

Shame all us little people are  going to get trampled.

Don't forget that the EU will soon 'not have' much that it has now. What are they going to cede in order to get terms even even as close to beneficial as they have now?

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LIDL Tissues Inflation Scare.

LIDL tissues used to be 45p per box, probably the cheapest on the market.  Dismayed to see the other week,  gone up to 65p (same as other supermarkets).

I thought, they German B's, 15% devaluation and they've used it as an excuse to put the tissues up by 44%.

Looked at it again last weekend, noticed the number of tissues per box is 225, up from 150 previously. 

This is actually cheaper, per tissue, than before.  (Before anyone makes any comments about what I want the tissues for, the partner had a cold.)

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5 hours ago, the gardener said:

Don't forget that the EU will soon 'not have' much that it has now. What are they going to cede in order to get terms even even as close to beneficial as they have now?

This is worth reading for anyone who thinks the EU will be a pushover once we're outside - http://ec.europa.eu/programmes/erasmus-plus/updates/20140128-participation-switzerland-erasmus-plus_en

 
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On 9 February 2014, the popular vote by the people and the cantons in favour of changing Switzerland's system of immigration called into question the principle of free movement of persons between the EU and Switzerland.

While implementing legislation for this popular vote will now have to be enacted by the Swiss Federal Council within three years, the referendum explicitly prevents the government from concluding any new international agreement contrary to this initiative. Hence, as an immediate consequence, the Federal Council is not in a position to sign the Protocol extending the EU-Swiss agreement on the free movement of persons to Croatia, which joined the Union on 1 July 2013 as new Member State, and is analysing the different implications.

The EU has always made clear that there is a close link between Swiss participation in Erasmus+ and the Protocol, as the programme is closely linked to the free movement of persons (exchange of researchers and students). Given the current circumstances, the EU and the Swiss authorities have agreed to suspend on-going negotiations on Swiss participation in Erasmus+ and took note of the impossibility of signing an agreement in time for the signing of contracts with beneficiaries selected under the 2014 calls for proposals.

Therefore, as foreseen in the Erasmus+ Regulation, until such an agreement is signed, Switzerland will not participate in Erasmus+ on an equal footing with Member States (i.e. as a "Programme Country") as initially envisaged, but will rather enjoy the same status as other third countries (i.e. as a "Partner Country").

 

 

 

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41 minutes ago, hotairmail said:
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Goldman, Morgan Stanley Signal London Job Moves Ahead of Brexit  

Top Goldman banker says firm to relocate hundreds, hire in EU   Bloomberg

Ahhh, Bloomberg eh?  Can't find yesterday's Bloomberg video from the BT plc chairman about how BREXIT was already having a negative effect on the OpenReach side of the business .And how certain staffers now feel unwelcome ; but it's worth a watch.

Still,     #TakeBackcontrol    :D

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