Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[Confusion of VIs]

24 minutes ago, ccc said:

I'm just pointing out that the article headline and the comment from Mr L - are completely at odds with the actual details in the article.

Agree the article is rubbish. Also it is just a rehash of a similar article from 3 or 4 months ago, with no real new information or any obvious reason for publishing it today.

[billybong]

On 3/21/2017 at 5:48 PM, One-percent said:

There is no longer a left right divide in politics. Your /our politicians were bought a long time ago and this applies to them no matter the colour of the rosette they wear.

it is now the establishment and global elite against the rest of us.  

+1

Edited March 22, 2017 by billybong

[the gardener]

31 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Agree the article is rubbish. Also it is just a rehash of a similar article from 3 or 4 months ago, with no real new information or any obvious reason for publishing it today.

Apart from the fact that the Grauniad must publish at least 5 anti-Brexit articles daily (if not hourly). If there is no genuine Brexit related news that day then they just make up stuff and present it as fact.

When will someone tell the Grauniad that Project Fear not only failed, it backfired?

[ccc]

44 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Agree the article is rubbish. Also it is just a rehash of a similar article from 3 or 4 months ago, with no real new information or any obvious reason for publishing it today.

We agree !! A pint is in order !!

[onlyme2]

3 hours ago, ccc said:

From the same article:

BA:

"British Airways does not fly intra-Europe, but its parent company IAG is likely to need to disinvest shareholders in order to be majority EU-owned, and allow its other EU-registered carriers to continue to operate across Europe. An IAG spokesman said: “We will continue to comply with the relevant ownership and control regulations.”

MEH

RYANAIR:

"Ryanair is headquartered in Ireland, and will not have to relocate" "This will be reduced to 40% once UK shareholders are excluded, making it vital to increase its EU ownership to comply with regulations."

DOUBLE MEH

EASYJET:

"EasyJet is establishing an EU operating company – on which an announcement is expected within weeks – so that it can obtain an EU air operating certificate. The company insists, however, it will continue to be headquartered in the UK."

TRIPLE  MEH

 

OK if they are the rules then certain european companies can disinvest themselves of their investments in the Uk transport system, power system, water and other utilities.

Only fair.

 

 

[ccc]

1 hour ago, onlyme2 said:

OK if they are the rules then certain european companies can disinvest themselves of their investments in the Uk transport system, power system, water and other utilities.

Only fair.

 

 

Sounds like a plan. 

[the gardener]

41 minutes ago, ccc said:

Sounds like a plan. 

That'll cost them deep in the purse. Forced sellers won't get a good price. Might snap up a few bargains myself.

[pig]

On 21/03/2017 at 2:09 PM, cashinmattress said:

Whatever.

You're something else buddy.

Since when was politics anything other than irrational?

Do you have any idea what the implication of the other three freedoms will have on you, your children, and your countrymen?

Brexit is ENTIRELY POLITICAL FFS!

Hence why so many people are p1ssed off, and the numbers are growing.

We're not staving off a natural disaster, pandemic, etc...

This is just about people angry at the status quo of Westminster... which is maddeningly conflated with EU.. over, and over, and over, and over... it's not Brussels making London houses £600k, or racking up your credit card, or crashing banks, Iraq war, politicians expenses & second houses, rich royals and gentry, sell off of British assets, and the whole litany of British problems.

Our UK.gov COULD have controlled immigration... but that would mean significant tax raises to cover more police, surveillance, technology, holding/detention centres, legislators, courts... the list goes on.

We didn't get it because we couldn't' afford to before. Do you really...I mean REALLY think this referendum is going to change any of that? You going to be happy to pay for that now? (answer is no)

And if you're so upset about purportedly economically inactive immigrants.. who's next? Burn the white trash on benefits in every council estate across the islands?

The arguments are for the most part devoid of any substance, fact, reasoning. Playing base instincts and grand-standing. I haven't seen a good one yet.

Several have been put forward on here, but don't stand up to scrutiny... and probably most would fail the most basic of fact checks.

Are you so blatantly ignorant of the UK, how it got there, and what it does now...ie: Britain was built on cheap labour, got rich on it, and stays that way because of it.

How much do you think the folk who built the phone/tablet/pc you're typing away on got paid?

 

Banker, immigrant and a factory worker sat around a table with 20 biscuits,

The banker takes 19 biscuits, promises his 'kipper chum a golden shower and so Farage tells the factory worker, don't let that immigrant steal your biscuit.

[rollover]

 

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Frail Martin McGuinness 'ignored dwindling health to DENOUNCE May's absent Brexit plan'

McGuiness was more concerned about the implications of Brexit than his failing health, weeks before his death. The former deputy first minister of Northern Ireland is said to have been frustrated at "the lack of leadership" shown by Theresa May’s Government and was furious that there was “no clear” Brexit plan. Express

 

One week to go, no plan and no clue what to do. Except of repeating hard Brexit.

 

[Confusion of VIs]

6 hours ago, onlyme2 said:

OK if they are the rules then certain european companies can disinvest themselves of their investments in the Uk transport system, power system, water and other utilities.

Only fair.

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

[Confusion of VIs]

This is potentially a much bigger deal than the airlines moving their headquarters, as it greatly incentivises banks to quickly move key parts of their operations into the EU. 

http://www.cityam.com/261479/uk-banks-get-transitional-period-after-brexit-trade-europe

[Dave Beans]

35 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

Gives you an idea of the issues...

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86360

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86376

[XswampyX]

And...

Quote

From the moment the European Central Bank first announced plans to revive the eurozone economy with a mass bond-buying programme, financial markets have been bracing for trouble. First the focus was illiquidity and mispricing — now it is scarcity.

The mechanics of the ECB’s quantitative easing project means banks and investors believe the central bank cannot keep on buying €80bn of bonds a month as planned — or extend quantitative easing — unless it relaxes rules about what it can buy.

With the eurozone’s recovery proving relatively lacklustre, the ECB has vowed to continue QE at least until March and many economists expect it will be forced to prolong the programme beyond that date.
 

Source :- NO CRYSTAL BALL! F**kin' 'ell.

[Confusion of VIs]

23 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

Gives you an idea of the issues...

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86360

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86376

One more issue that shows up the "walk away without a deal" option for the nonsense it is.

Fans of our high tech industries might also want to read this:

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86415

 

[onlyme2]

6 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

You certainly are confused. the are a whole plethora of rules regarding airline and aircraftsafety, not about where you have to base your organisations. This is a direct threat and spite from the EU to make things difficult for carriers who wish to domicile main activities in the UK. There are no civil aviation regulations regarding where your shareholder base needs to be.

 

 

 

 

 

[the gardener]

7 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

The airline rules are global agreements, so its actually not within the gift of the EU to amend them; even if they wanted to. 

The other things you mention are unconnected/irrelevant.

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

As others have said, it's a non-story. BA's flights are not affected, it's a minor issue for Easyjet and not really an issue for Ryanair.

Anyway what happened to the EU Commission's intention to relax foreign ownership rules on airlines? A couple of years ago there was a proposal to relax the rules (49% max foreign ownership) as it was killing investment in failing EU airlines.

Hey, let them keep their rules and struggling airlines. I'm sure that they'll be able to conjure up the money for investment in their airlines in order to take advantage of the damage they want to inflict on UK airlines out of pure spite.

[rollover]

 

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by rollover

[Confusion of VIs]

3 hours ago, onlyme2 said:

You certainly are confused. the are a whole plethora of rules regarding airline and aircraftsafety, not about where you have to base your organisations. This is a direct threat and spite from the EU to make things difficult for carriers who wish to domicile main activities in the UK. There are no civil aviation regulations regarding where your shareholder base needs to be.

There are rules for EU states, rules EEA states and rules for third countries. We have decided we want to be a third country.  

If you actually read any of the background you would see just how complex the underlying/supporting international agreements are, and why there is little possibility of them being changed to suit the UK. 

As I said, you don't seem to get we have voted to leave the EU and as May has decided we will also leave the EEA we will be a third country with all that implies.

i do hope we are not going to get 2years of continual moaning from uninformed Leavers as the consequences of becoming a third country slowly sinks in.

[Confusion of VIs]

2 hours ago, the gardener said:

As others have said, it's a non-story. BA's flights are not affected, it's a minor issue for Easyjet and not really an issue for Ryanair.

Anyway what happened to the EU Commission's intention to relax foreign ownership rules on airlines? A couple of years ago there was a proposal to relax the rules (49% max foreign ownership) as it was killing investment in failing EU airlines.

Hey, let them keep their rules and struggling airlines. I'm sure that they'll be able to conjure up the money for investment in their airlines in order to take advantage of the damage they want to inflict on UK airlines out of pure spite.

 I refer you to my previous post. It is us doing this to ourselves not the EU. 

This is a relatively minor impact of leaving the EU and EEA, there will be many much more important issues to follow once A50 is invoked.

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by Confusion of VIs

[the gardener]

2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

 I refer you to my previous post. It is us doing this to ourselves not the EU. 

This is a relatively minor impact of leaving the EU and EEA, there will be many much more important issues to follow once A50 is invoked.

 

I'll ask again. What happened to the planned EU relaxation of it's rules on foreign ownership which it decided was stilfling investment in EU based airlines? Have the EU now decided that to keep the rules as they are is a good idea after all, despite their extensive research into this aspect of EU regulations and conclusion that it damaged their airlines.

[cashinmattress]

12 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You don't seem to get we are leaving the EU.  

 

Haven't done so yet. No deal, or even formal discussion is formalised (because it cant yet)...

Nothing is set in stone actually.

However, we're already paying for it, and its going to get much worse.

You seem to have the same blinkers on as most of this thread does.

Britain will be 'bargaining' by lowering tax rates and giving free passes to those who bring in capital via London, no matter how bent or unethical the punter.... not much else.

We have Yank nukes... umm... pies...Morris dancers?

What do we 'gain' as a country by leaving the EU.....

Please say 'sovereignty'.

...

Oh yeah: 

Quote

The airline rules are global agreements, (ie: not global, but being part of EEAA?)

You must have gleaned your 'fact' on one of the really indepth TV debates with your hero Farage? (that wasn't talking about muslims and 350 millions?)

http://www.airport-business.com/2016/10/brexit/

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2016/06/brexit-fallout-for-single-sky-remains-unclear/

http://www.iata.org/publications/economic-briefings/impact-of-brexit.pdf

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by cashinmattress

[Confusion of VIs]

32 minutes ago, the gardener said:

I'll ask again. What happened to the planned EU relaxation of it's rules on foreign ownership which it decided was stilfling investment in EU based airlines? Have the EU now decided that to keep the rules as they are is a good idea after all, despite their extensive research into this aspect of EU regulations and conclusion that it damaged their airlines.

Why should I know or care, if you do I am sure a few minutes of Googling will give you the answer.

Oh I was wrong, it took a single search: https://www.ft.com/content/246e2500-9c0b-11e5-b45d-4812f209f861

It is still progressing subject to "if someone wants to play a role in the EU markets, they have to play by European rules.” I suspect we will be hearing that a lot more over the next two years.

 

[Confusion of VIs]

2 minutes ago, cashinmattress said:

Haven't do so yet. No deal, or even formal discussion is formalised (because it cant yet)...

Nothing is set in stone actually.

However, we're already paying for it, and its going to get much worse.

You seem to have the same blinkers on as most of this thread does.

Britain will be 'bargaining' by lowering tax rates and giving free passes to those who bring in capital via London, no matter how bent or unethical the punter.... not much else.

We have Yank nukes... umm... pies...Morris dancers?

What do we 'gain' as a country by leaving the EU.....

Please say 'sovereignty'.

...

Oh yeah: 

You must have gleaned your 'fact' on one of the really TV debates with your hero Farage? (that wasn't talking about muslims and 350 millions?)

http://www.airport-business.com/2016/10/brexit/

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2016/06/brexit-fallout-for-single-sky-remains-unclear/

http://www.iata.org/publications/economic-briefings/impact-of-brexit.pdf

 

If there was an Olympic gold medal for missing the point, you would be a strong contender for it.

[pig]

4 minutes ago, cashinmattress said:

Haven't done so yet. No deal, or even formal discussion is formalised (because it cant yet)...

Nothing is set in stone actually.

However, we're already paying for it, and its going to get much worse.

You seem to have the same blinkers on as most of this thread does.

Britain will be 'bargaining' by lowering tax rates and giving free passes to those who bring in capital via London, no matter how bent or unethical the punter.... not much else.

We have Yank nukes... umm... pies...Morris dancers?

What do we 'gain' as a country by leaving the EU.....

Please say 'sovereignty'.

...

Oh yeah: 

You must have gleaned your 'fact' on one of the really indepth TV debates with your hero Farage? (that wasn't talking about muslims and 350 millions?)

http://www.airport-business.com/2016/10/brexit/

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2016/06/brexit-fallout-for-single-sky-remains-unclear/

http://www.iata.org/publications/economic-briefings/impact-of-brexit.pdf

 

I think you missed his sardonicism

On being 'blinkered' it's more like theatre in that it's a 'wilful suspension of disbelief' or a self-administered gas-lighting as a means to remain immersed in fakery. Leaving the EU isn't our biggest problem,   it's the Brexiting from reality that's being our undoing.

I actually have sympathy for the calls for 'sovereignty'. Before the idiots exposed themselves, the referendum for me was about achieving a balance between retaining a 'devolved' national power allowing different cultures to carve out their destinies and an agreed overall international  framework that ultimately empowered and enabled individuals as much as nations. 

As it stands the result has ended up not in finding the ideal balance but losing both national and individual sovereignty. Not unlike how  across the pond they think bigger guns and bigger walls will give them bigger 'sovereignty'...

[cashinmattress]

1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

It is still progressing subject to "if someone wants to play a role in the EU markets, they have to play by European rules.” I suspect we will be hearing that a lot more over the next two years.

 

Pretty much. It's going to be interesting watching UK.gov try... and fail... repeatedly... to broker terms as beneficial to UK.gov as they are now... without ceding something we have now.

Popcorn at the ready.

Shame all us little people are  going to get trampled.