Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[Freki]

31 minutes ago, Huggy said:

Hmmmm "Because Brexit" again, eh?  Bad Brexit, causing all the good people to do bad things 😂

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/11/mastercard-class-action-gets-court-uk

That snow yesterday meant I needed to scrape my car for 3 minutes! Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving ⛄

What else do you think? Mastercard fees are (were in our case) capped by the EU. 

[NobodyInParticular]

1 hour ago, IMHAL said:

Not quite!

Just had to dig a little deeper here. If you look at the figures for Italy -74%, France at about -25% and Germany +15%... UK > -100% that changes the picture considerably. We fair worse than all the comparable major EU economies......food for thought eh....☺

Your kind of factual facts aren't welcome here. Especially facts that can't be changed on a whim.

Admitting errors should be allowed, which I sometimes do, as recently as today, as opposed to just doubling down on something or denying you said it. 

[kzb]

2 hours ago, IMHAL said:

Whats wrong with the truth? Do you get your news from a Brexit version of QAnon?

All that about the recovery fund was from the EU's own websites.

[kzb]

1 hour ago, NobodyInParticular said:

Your kind of factual facts aren't welcome here. Especially facts that can't be changed on a whim.

Admitting errors should be allowed, which I sometimes do, as recently as today, as opposed to just doubling down on something or denying you said it. 

Just had a look at the report.  The Netherlands, a solid EU member state, recorded a larger FDI deficit than the UK in this time period.

What stuck out to me was that Europe is far worse than other developed regions like N. America or Asia.  That is the first thing I noticed when I looked at the graphic.

However let's bear in mind this is a 6-month snapshot in the midst of a pandemic.  Covid is what is happening here, not Brexit.  

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/diaeiainf2020d4_en.pdf

 

[IMHAL]

1 hour ago, kzb said:

All that about the recovery fund was from the EU's own websites.

 

1 hour ago, kzb said:

Just had a look at the report.  The Netherlands, a solid EU member state, recorded a larger FDI deficit than the UK in this time period.

What stuck out to me was that Europe is far worse than other developed regions like N. America or Asia.  That is the first thing I noticed when I looked at the graphic.

However let's bear in mind this is a 6-month snapshot in the midst of a pandemic.  Covid is what is happening here, not Brexit.  

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/diaeiainf2020d4_en.pdf

 

A sense of balance is required.....those who specialise in the biased highlighting of only the small bits of bad news about the EU without looking at the bigger picture can come across as...erm....very biased.

Taking the 'EU' and treating them as a single entity is really silly in this context and means nothing as there is a whole level of complexity and nuance under that. 

Put simply, if Italy suffered less badly in terms of investment than the UK....well, that says quite alot about how attractive the UK is. Now if you were clever,  you could apply the same argument to the UK and split that up and you would probably find that England did better than the figures suggest....but that may not play to your script.

[dances with sheeple]

On 24/01/2021 at 22:13, IMHAL said:

Revenge? It's called competition.

You and the increasingly manic KZB are starting to sound like that idiot Trump.

It's not a conspiracy or revenge...if companies do move then it is a cold hard business decision by individual companies to move...because Brexit has forced their hand. Get over it. Take responsibility.

Whatever it is it will go Pear Shaped for the EU IMO.

[dances with sheeple]

21 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

It was our membership of the EU that allowed London to provide EU/Euro related financial services and gave it the scale required to compete with New York.  

Of course the EU now wants to repatriate these services, this was clear from the moment we voted for Brexit. However, they want to do this without causing market disruption so are content for it to be a 10-15yr process.  

But there were benefits to using London that haven`t changed though?

[debtlessmanc]

It's hotting up in the ambassador wars

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/brussels-warns-britain-against-downgrading-eu-ambassador-status

does look a bit petty tbh

[Confusion of VIs]

28 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said:

But there were benefits to using London that haven`t changed though?

True but the US wouldn't let an outside state run key parts of their financial services to save money and neither will the US.  

7 hours ago, kzb said:

No it's the reverse.  You are only looking inward again.  Many are saying they will indeed be an even bigger global player without the dead hand of EU regulations.  I don't pretend to know much about this world myself but this is what many are saying, so there is an alternative view to yours.

"Many are saying" is what people like Richard Madeley say when they are spouting some crackpot theory.

Who is saying that and have they explained how will London be bigger after losing the EUs financial services business.

London will still do well relatively well but will lose a significant part of its business and no longer be a equal competitor with New York. There is no alternate EU sized pot of financial business to go after out there. 

 

[NobodyInParticular]

11 hours ago, kzb said:

Just had a look at the report.  The Netherlands, a solid EU member state, recorded a larger FDI deficit than the UK in this time period.

What stuck out to me was that Europe is far worse than other developed regions like N. America or Asia.  That is the first thing I noticed when I looked at the graphic.

However let's bear in mind this is a 6-month snapshot in the midst of a pandemic.  Covid is what is happening here, not Brexit.  

https://unctad.org/system/files/official-document/diaeiainf2020d4_en.pdf

 

COVID will be part of it, but also Brexit. 

[dugsbody]

9 hours ago, dances with sheeple said:

But there were benefits to using London that haven`t changed though?

Yes, there were benefits. Those benefits are still there but the EU won't let a third country be their banker (so to speak) for the same reason the US or China would not.

This is a very simple thing to understand.

[dugsbody]

8 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

It's hotting up in the ambassador wars

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/brussels-warns-britain-against-downgrading-eu-ambassador-status

does look a bit petty tbh

Quote

“It’s not a friendly signal,” he said, “the first one that the United Kingdom has sent to us immediately after leaving the European Union. If things continue like this there are no good prospects.”

The Foreign Office’s opening position with the EU is that it does not want to set a precedent by treating an international body in the same way as a nation state.

Other international organisations would then apply, it is argued, leading to a proliferation of others seeking diplomatic status.

What a load of bullsh$t. I wonder why 143 countries around the world are not worried about this but the UK is. The same UK that just happened to spend 40 years badmouthing the EU and telling them how sh$t their club is.

And we "pinky promised" we just wanted to be outside the EU but have very friendly relations otherwise. Embarrassing country.

[slawek]

9 hours ago, dances with sheeple said:

But there were benefits to using London that haven`t changed though?

They are now offset by

a) security concerns, having its financial center in a third country which is not very friendly is a risk to the EU

b) EU countries are no longer bound by the EU internal market rules with regard to the UK. They can now introduce barriers to gain a market share from the UK, which will benefit them economically as jobs and money will flow to the EU countries.    

[yodigo]

What happens next. EU indoctrination, that's what!!

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/europe-news/brussels-post-brexit-communication-campaign-young-britons-7071136

Like some seedy cult or mafia organisation.

[debtlessmanc]

22 minutes ago, slawek said:

They are now offset by

a) security concerns, having its financial center in a third country which is not very friendly is a risk to the EU

b) EU countries are no longer bound by the EU internal market rules with regard to the UK. They can now introduce barriers to gain a market share from the UK, which will benefit them economically as jobs and money will flow to the EU countries.    

 a) is easy to solve, simply offer to continuing sharing 5 eyes sigint, even the EU is no that stupid.

b) is a very fine line to walk.  immediately after the vote Merkal identified the "UK as a competitor" as the biggest risk of Brexit.

[dugsbody]

13 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

 a) is easy to solve, simply offer to continuing sharing 5 eyes sigint, even the EU is no that stupid.

b) is a very fine line to walk.  immediately after the vote Merkal identified the "UK as a competitor" as the biggest risk of Brexit.

🤦‍♂️

[dugsbody]

15 minutes ago, yodigo said:

What happens next. EU indoctrination, that's what!!

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/europe-news/brussels-post-brexit-communication-campaign-young-britons-7071136

Like some seedy cult or mafia organisation.

What are your thoughts on how Dominic Cummings won the referendum using data mining from social media then targeting anti-EU adverts to swing a small percentage of voters?

Also in the strategy was targeting adverts to dissuade remain supporters from voting.

Sounds pretty seedy.

[slawek]

12 minutes ago, debtlessmanc said:

 a) is easy to solve, simply offer to continuing sharing 5 eyes sigint, even the EU is no that stupid.

b) is a very fine line to walk.  immediately after the vote Merkal identified the "UK as a competitor" as the biggest risk of Brexit.

a) It is a security in wider sense. The UK is also an economical risk. It could become a money laundering and tax evasion center. The Citi could be used by the UK as a leverage too. The UK could seize assets, block the EU from accessing the market to get something in negotiations etc.   

b) Welcome to a real world. Everyone is doing what is in their best interest. Why would they let the UK make money if they can do that themselves?      

[14stFlyer]

32 minutes ago, yodigo said:

 

What happens next. EU indoctrination, that's what!!

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/europe-news/brussels-post-brexit-communication-campaign-young-britons-7071136

Like some seedy cult or mafia organisation.

 

A seedy story by the express certainly.  
 

The original leaked report offers support and continued information flow for EU nationals who have exercised FOM rights and now live in the U.K. and for the 71% of young British voters who, like me, were EU citizens in 2016 and voted to remain to be EU citizens. 

Nothing “cult” or “mafia” here at all. 

[Peter Hun]

9 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

It's hotting up in the ambassador wars

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/brussels-warns-britain-against-downgrading-eu-ambassador-status

does look a bit petty tbh

As with the anti-woke laws, pathetic attempts to distract from the COVID economic disaster.

Don't they have anything better to do? oh yes, they do.

[IMHAL]

4 minutes ago, 14stFlyer said:

A seedy story by the express certainly.  
 

The original leaked report offers support and continued information flow for EU nationals who have exercised FOM rights and now live in the U.K. and for the 71% of young British voters who, like me, were EU citizens in 2016 and voted to remain to be EU citizens. 

Nothing “cult” or “mafia” here at all. 

Yeh.....but it gets in the way of the disinformation campaign waged against the EU by the brexiteers.  Probably why they are so worried.

[IMHAL]

1 hour ago, dugsbody said:

What a load of bullsh$t. I wonder why 143 countries around the world are not worried about this but the UK is. The same UK that just happened to spend 40 years badmouthing the EU and telling them how sh$t their club is.

And we "pinky promised" we just wanted to be outside the EU but have very friendly relations otherwise. Embarrassing country.

It is a pathetic response from the UK. Petulant children showing their true Etonian spoilt brat characters. Actually, this latest action is quite worrying and could lead to even more agrivation and friction than Brexit has already created.

If this is a sign of how things are going to be then it bodes very poorly for the UK economically and as a union. 

[dryrot]

10 hours ago, debtlessmanc said:

It's hotting up in the ambassador wars

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/25/brussels-warns-britain-against-downgrading-eu-ambassador-status

does look a bit petty tbh

I agree. Its absurd that the EU has an ambassador as well as all the country embassies - but thanks to Brext we are not paying for the EU foreign service - if it make the EU happy, I'm OK with the EU guy as well. Just another burden on EU taxpayers but thats not our problem now.

Daniel Hannans take... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/24/eu-state-should-treat-precisely-left/

"The EU is a state and we should treat it as such. That’s precisely why we left

Now though – for this relief, much thanks – we don’t have to worry any more. The EU can proclaim itself a monarchy or a theocracy, for all we care, provided it upholds its treaty obligations with us. If it wants us to treat it as a sovereign state, fine: that is precisely why people like me voted to leave it."

[IMHAL]

47 minutes ago, dryrot said:

I agree. Its absurd that the EU has an ambassador as well as all the country embassies - but thanks to Brext we are not paying for the EU foreign service - if it make the EU happy, I'm OK with the EU guy as well. Just another burden on EU taxpayers but thats not our problem now.

Daniel Hannans take... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/24/eu-state-should-treat-precisely-left/

"The EU is a state and we should treat it as such. That’s precisely why we left

Now though – for this relief, much thanks – we don’t have to worry any more. The EU can proclaim itself a monarchy or a theocracy, for all we care, provided it upholds its treaty obligations with us. If it wants us to treat it as a sovereign state, fine: that is precisely why people like me voted to leave it."

You are in a minority of the general population of brexiteers if that is why you voted leave, although I accept a high degree of post rationalisation has occurred since then, mainly because the original Brexit claims turned out to be complete bllolocks.

[Peter Hun]

1 hour ago, dryrot said:

I agree. Its absurd that the EU has an ambassador as well as all the country embassies - but thanks to Brext we are not paying for the EU foreign service - if it make the EU happy, I'm OK with the EU guy as well. Just another burden on EU taxpayers but thats not our problem now.

Daniel Hannans take... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/24/eu-state-should-treat-precisely-left/

"The EU is a state and we should treat it as such. That’s precisely why we left

Now though – for this relief, much thanks – we don’t have to worry any more. The EU can proclaim itself a monarchy or a theocracy, for all we care, provided it upholds its treaty obligations with us. If it wants us to treat it as a sovereign state, fine: that is precisely why people like me voted to leave it."

If the EU has been recognised as a state by the majority of the world then who are we to refuse it statehood. That is the definition of statehood - international recognition.

As you say, not our problem. So why are Bojo and his Clowns making it into a problem?