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Think it's time to knock this thread on the head. We know what happened next now. Good luck to you all in 2021.

Actually the thread has only just started....

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I do.   https://twitter.com/housepricemania

1409 pages....you guys should have your own forum !!!

Oh OK. Shame that really, but hey it looks like @IMHAL helped us both out. Nice repost though, thanks ! Any thoughts ?  

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Happy new year guys. I consider this matter closed now 🙂

Happy New year, I consider we should leave it open to make all aware of how it will personally benefit everyone....all the new jobs, better quality of life, freedoms, choices we all now have to look forward to.

Everything new and better that will clearly now improve our lives that not yet been told about or experianced yet....to counteract all the disadvantages people will notice about leaving........better be worth it.;)

 

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Its not better and its not more honest.  I supplied all the rates for the date in question, that it is current made little difference.  There is an assumption that when charts are posted, the viewer knows that the figures are not necessarily to be taken at face value - same with the GDP figures but what else to do - guess?

The overall EU and UK figures have remained the same between 2019 and 2020 but in the EU it covers significant variations, which is why its not reasonable to say it makes no difference and why I objected. In the UK and Germany there are effective furlough schemes (Germany was most proactive, UK has followed suit) and little increase in unemployment, but not in The Netherlands where the rate DOUBLED. Many Southern European countries are still recovering from 2008-10 so unemployment figures are still improving. It's just chance, in a bifurcated economy on the EU, that the overall figure has remained the same. It's a fairly good example of how pooling apparently the same but actually mismatched information can give you a misleading picture. 

In terms of GDP, nominal countrywide GDP hides a lot of things, such as regional variations in countries (the UK has issues here) and neglects size. GDP PPP /capita, GINI and regional variations are thus useful. GDP nominal is useful for determing power in trade negotiations or for year-to-year modelling, although ROI no longer uses it because of the way its economy is structured. But again, one figure only tells you do much and you don't have to guess, just look at the variety of statistics available to get a more nuanced view. 

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The UK stats stopped measuring unemployment a long time ago. All they tell you is how many people sign on. 

That's why at the very least you try to ignore self-reported statistics and use the ILO ones. Even those, or the headline figures, can under report, especially under employment, for example, where people can't get enough hours to make ends meet. The latter is a big issue in the UK and it was something like a third (from memory) of UK part time workers wanted to work more hours, up to and including full time. Some of those workers will be on working tax credits due to lack of hours. You could spread the hours out to different workers and reduce the number on tax credits (looks good) but probably add 2% (total guess) to unemployment (looks bad). We're back to my statement that a single figure can hide a multitude of sins. 

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Cheers guys.

Where will we be when this thread is on page 11300 do you think?

In the middle of UK accession negotiations, and preparations for switching from £ to €?

Acrimonious border disputes between the "countries of the former UK"?

A new British Empire with London at the heart of a revitalised Commonwealth telling all those second-rate has beens like the USA, China, Germany and the other "former EU member states" what to do?

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Debt by country (accepting that it will have gone up but no recent charts found on search (for example I know UK debt has now gone over 100% of GDP, presumably the NL debt has stayed similar with its unwillingness to support business):

https://spendmenot.com/blog/national-debt-by-country/

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Happy new year one and all.

IMO, what happens next is the break up of the UK.

Its going to happen sometime, BREXIT might just accelerate it (although I now feel like the EU in its advice to the UK, but with more conviction, "Be careful what you wish for").

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Last night, at precisely 23:00, an idiotic Brexiteer neighbour let off a load of noisy fireworks and scared all the neighbourhood dogs. 

Petty triumphalism, some folk delight in annoying others :(. Let's see if he's still cheering when the police knock on his door and issue him a fixed penalty notice for leaving his car running for over half an hour to warn it up :lol:.

As for the poster('s) who, in true BJ fashion, "consider the matter closed"...  yes, Brexit is done, now the campaign to re-join the EU, with closer ties than before (Euro & Schengen), begins in earnest.

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Last night, at precisely 23:00, an idiotic Brexiteer neighbour let off a load of noisy fireworks and scared all the neighbourhood dogs. 

Petty triumphalism, some folk delight in annoying others :(. Let's see if he's still cheering when the police knock on his door and issue him a fixed penalty notice for leaving his car running for over half an hour to warn it up :lol:.

As for the poster('s) who, in true BJ fashion, "consider the matter closed"...  yes, Brexit is done, now the campaign to re-join the EU, with closer ties than before (Euro & Schengen), begins in earnest.

OMG - already 😵

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Happy new year one and all.

IMO, what happens next is the break up of the UK.

I agree. Although still behind Scotland, support for Independance has been growing rapidly in Wales, Boris being the main advert for it.

A recent article in the FT also agrees with you.

https://nation.cymru/news/uk-heading-towards-breakup-says-financial-times/

UK heading towards ‘breakup’ says Financial Times

31st December 2020

The UK is heading towards “breakup” according to the Financial Times.

An editorial in the newspaper said that the wishes of the devolved administrations in Cardiff, Edinburgh, and Belfast were “ignored” during the Brexit negotiations and that powers have been “hoarded at Westminster”.

It also said that Brexit was an expression of “English nationalism” and that Boris Johnson has “always seen himself as more English than British.”...

,,,“Forget the guff about embarking on a new Elizabethan age. ‘Global Britain’ is at present heading towards the rocks of constitutional break-up.

“Cracks have appeared in the constitutional architecture of the UK. Brexit has changed forever the balance between the constituent parts of the UK union.

“The decision to leave the EU was, at its heart, an expression of English nationalism. A reordering of relationships within the UK is inevitable — and a parting of the ways a real and present danger.

Boris Johnson takes a cavalier view. A unionist in name only, the prime minister decided that leaving the EU took precedence over unity at home.

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The UK stats stopped measuring unemployment a long time ago. All they tell you is how many people sign on. 

Yup. Part of standard government policy for everything - just lie and shit on the little people.

The UK unemployment figure is built with propaganda bricks. In Fischer-Price colours for simple people.

https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?r=US&IR=T

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Yup. Part of standard government policy for everything - just lie and shit on the little people.

The UK unemployment figure is built with propaganda bricks. In Fischer-Price colours for simple people.

https://www.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7?r=US&IR=T

How about the OECD figures?

http://www.oecd.org/sdd/labour-stats/unemployment-rates-oecd-06-2020.pdf

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OK... What happens next?

Haven't a clue. Take data for example. One of a myriad of things we have no idea about.

"Therefore, in spite of the new extension, you must prepare your business for the chance of a No deal on data by June 2021."

Brexit: Deal Includes Extension for Data Adequacy Negotiations | DMA
https://dma.org.uk/article/brexit-deal-includes-extension-for-data-adequacy-negotiations

EU, UK mulling interim data flows solution post-Brexit  POLITICO
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-uk-brexit-personal-data-privacy-no-deal/

UK-EU Brexit deal: TechUK and DigitalEurope hail new dawn but note unfinished data business
https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252494117/UK-EU-Brexit-deal-techUK-and-Digital-Europe-hail-new-dawn-but-note-unfinished-data-business

Brexit: The Future of Data Flow to and from the EEA and the UK | Insights | Greenberg Traurig LLP
https://www.gtlaw.com/en/insights/2020/12/brexit-the-future-of-data-flow-to-and-from-the-eea-and-the-uk

Brexit trade deal: what does it mean for data protection law?
https://www.shlegal.com/insights/brexit-trade-deal-what-does-it-mean-for-data-protection-law

 

So, "What happens next" will last for many, many years.

I also think they have a lot of work to do disprove the litany of lies. Get going Leavers - it's your gig.

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Last night, at precisely 23:00, an idiotic Brexiteer neighbour let off a load of noisy fireworks and scared all the neighbourhood dogs. 

Petty triumphalism, some folk delight in annoying others :(.

Fireworks at New year seems to now be 'a thing'.

 

 

 

 

Today is the day that the NHS receives it's first installment of £50 million of the £350 million per week.

😂😂😂😂

 

Boris Johnson takes a cavalier view.

Actually cavalier, possibly. Roundheads and... 

 

A unionist in name only, the prime minister decided that leaving the EU took precedence over unity at home.

He views himself as English but he has been revealed as 1/4 FRENCH! 

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From the Kings Fund respobse:

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In July 2018, the Prime Minister announced a new five-year funding deal that would see NHS funding rise by £33.9 billion in cash terms (ie, not adjusted for inflation) by 2023/24 compared to 2018/19, a rate of increase that is closer to, but still lower than, the long-term average.

This long-term funding deal only applies to services within the scope of NHS England’s mandate, and excludes important areas of the Department of Health and Social Care budget such as capital investment, public health and the education and training of NHS staff"

It's hard to find something that definitively states it is £20bn (inflation adjusted) per year or not but it probably is, which is better than I expected. However, the government often announces funding that is for an entire Parliament. Note the £33bn/£20bn disparity - either that's overall inflation (scary) or inflation in drugs cost, etc., taken into account. The other devil there is that it excludes elements of NHS costs, so if those are not increased the effective increase may be less. Don't hold your breath for Hancock to venture that information as you can be sure he'll note the more flattering one. 

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